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AsafY (Florida)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Hi,
We are a new board (Florida) serving for the first year after last board served for 9 years and all quit.
We found few months back that the bylaws were not filed at the county only the covenants.
It was known to the complex but no one really raised any attention to it and honestly it slipped the board mind due to covid 19 and other day to day we all dealing with.

The board sent the annual meeting election notice this week and mentioned that this year (same as was done every year) we will go by the FS720 as the Bylaws were not filled.

One of the members responded (adding the entire community to the distro) that she is going to check with a lawyer if the board can be accountable for not filing the bylaws and claiming the entire election is not lawful. not sure what is she really trying to achieve as she didn't suggest anything but was on the attack.

What should the board do?
Involve a lawyer? Can the board be accountable ?
Do nothing and proceed as usual?

Following is the annual notice to members - anything wrong with it?

To All Homeowners,
This is a notice of our upcoming Annual meeting, scheduled on
Saturday, January 16, 2021, at 10:00 am CT. (As agreed at the last Annual
meeting)

This year due to COVID-19 the annual meeting will be held both virtually
and in-person with a limited number of attendees. We request all owners
who plan to attend the meeting to let us know by 11/10/2020 if they plan to
attend the meeting virtually or in person, based on attendance the HOA will
check for locations and update the owners.
The board would like to encourage all homeowners which are interested in
participating on the board (One member per parcel) to send their nomination
by 11/10/2020.

Voting Ballots will be sent to homeowners by 12/04/2020 and will be
counted at the January 16, 2021 meeting.
The meeting agenda and the 2021 proposed budget will be sent with the
Ballots by 12/4/2020.

Just to clarify, as it was pointed out by a member and verified in the public
records, the bylaws were never recorded in Walton county as
specified in 720.306. (1)(e). Therefore, the HOA will follow the 720 FL
statute (720.306. (9) see appendix A).

Following are the breakdown of the next steps :
1. Homeowner (One member per Parcel) send nomination by 11/10/2020.
(Reply to this email)
2. Homeowners who like to participate in person inform the board by
11/10/2020. (Replay to this email)
3. Ballots will be sent electronically to all homeowners by 12/4/2020.
4. Ballots should be sent back by homeowners to the HOA email prior to the
meeting or handed at the meeting itself to the secretary.
5. The Ballots will be counted at the meeting by the current board.
6. The new board will announce in the meeting right after counting the
votes.
7. The newly elected board will meet to elect directors’ positions and
announce to homeowners.

Appendix A:
720.306 (9) ELECTIONS AND BOARD VACANCIES.—
(a) Elections of directors must be conducted in accordance with the
procedures set forth in the governing documents of the association. Except
as provided in paragraph (b), all members of the association are eligible to
serve on the board of directors, and a member may nominate himself or
herself as a candidate for the board at a meeting where the election is to be
held; provided, however, that if the election process allows candidates to be
nominated in advance of the meeting, the association is not required to
allow nominations at the meeting. An election is not required unless more
candidates are nominated than vacancies exist. If an election is not required
because there are either an equal number or fewer qualified candidates than
vacancies exist, and if nominations from the floor are not required pursuant
to this section or the bylaws, write-in nominations are not permitted and
such qualified candidates shall commence service on the board of directors,
regardless of whether a quorum is attained at the annual meeting. Except as
otherwise provided in the governing documents, boards of directors must be
elected by a plurality of the votes cast by eligible voters. Any challenge to
the election process must be commenced within 60 days after the election
results are announced.

Thanks in advance!
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 6:30 PM
This year due to COVID-19 the annual meeting will be held both virtually and in-person with a limited number of attendees. We request all owners who plan to attend the meeting to let us know by 11/10/2020 if they plan to attend the meeting virtually or in person, [snip]
In the words of Woody Harrelson in "No Country for Old Men": You do not understand.

No in-person anything.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 6:30 PM
We found few months back that the bylaws were not filed at the county only the covenants,
Please cite the Section of FS 720 that requires the Bylaws to be recorded.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Also curious about requirement that Bylaws be recorded. not typical.

Must voters be present in person or by proxy to vote? No mail-in voting?

Seems odd, but I guess OK, that the words candidate or candidacy aren't sued.

#7: Won't the new Board meet to elect officers (not directors)??
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Bylaws are internal HOA documents. They are NOT public. So they are not typically required to be filed. Some HOA's may file them with their CC&R's but not required.

So why do you think has to be required? The HOA isn't even responsible for proving the documents at the time of sale. That is usually the seller or the buyer's responsibility to be informed. Hence why the documents are PUBLIC.

Former HOA President
AsafY (Florida)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Thanks for clarification, although I asked a lawyer and he didn't mentioned that, he just said to follow FS720 if bylaws not filed. (not the HOA lawyer as the owners has a problem to spend money on a lawyer)

We have no issue to go either way but we get different opinions
AsafY (Florida)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 10/26/2020 7:13 PM
Also curious about requirement that Bylaws be recorded. not typical.

Must voters be present in person or by proxy to vote? No mail-in voting?

Seems odd, but I guess OK, that the words candidate or candidacy aren't sued.

#7: Won't the new Board meet to elect officers (not directors)??

seems we have some fixes to do for next election. thanks for feedback.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 7:24 PM
although I asked a lawyer and he didn't mentioned that, he just said to follow FS720 if bylaws not filed. (not the HOA lawyer as the owners has a problem to spend money on a lawyer)
I suggest not talking to any attorney who is not an experienced, reputable, HOA-specialized attorney. The other day I watched an elderly pro se HOA Owner, without even a college degree, legally beat the snot out of a HOA attorney in court.

The HOA is to follow the Bylaws unless FS 720 says otherwise.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/26/2020 7:31 PM
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 7:24 PM
although I asked a lawyer and he didn't mentioned that, he just said to follow FS720 if bylaws not filed. (not the HOA lawyer as the owners has a problem to spend money on a lawyer)
I suggest not talking to any attorney who is not an experienced, reputable, HOA-specialized attorney. The other day I watched an elderly pro se HOA Owner, without even a college degree, legally beat the snot out of a HOA attorney in court.

The HOA is to follow the Bylaws unless FS 720 says otherwise.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/26/2020 7:31 PM
... snip ...

The other day I watched an elderly pro se HOA Owner, without even a college degree, legally beat the snot out of a HOA attorney in court.


Are you willing to provide details in a new thread so that we don't hijack this one? Inquiring minds want to know. :-)
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 10/27/2020 3:14 PM
Posted By AugustinD on 10/26/2020 7:31 PM
... snip ...

The other day I watched an elderly pro se HOA Owner, without even a college degree, legally beat the snot out of a HOA attorney in court.

Are you willing to provide details in a new thread so that we don't hijack this one? Inquiring minds want to know. :-)


It was a motion hearing, as part of a bigger lawsuit, concerning the manner in which the Plaintiff HOA was communicating with Defendant Owner Here-To-Stay and Defendant Gone-for-Good. The Plaintiff had insisted on sending documents for both Defendants to Defendant Owner Here-To-Stay's address. No one (not the Plaintiff, not Defendant Here-To-Stay, and not the Court) even knows where Defendant Gone-for-Good is. A lawsuit results in a barrel of mailings in the course of a few months. Defendant Here-To-Stay, without a college degree, pointed out that the Plaintiff HOA had claimed in writing to the court that the Plaintiff had properly served Defendant Gone-For-Good. Yet proper service of Defendant Gone-For-Good was impossible on account of the two Defendants never having shared the same address and not having seen each other for over 17 years. So for one thing, Defendant Here-To-Stay caught the Plaintiff's attorney in a lie to the court, in writing, about properly serving Defendant Gone-For-Good. That is, the Plaintiff HOA has not properly served Defendant Gone-for-Good, and the Plaintiff had been lying about this. As I bet you know, a lie to Thee Court on a relevant Factual Matter is a big deal. For another thing, Defendant Here-To-Stay won a Court Order, issued to the Plaintiff, to stop sending Defendant Gone-for-Good's mail to Defendant Here-to-Stay's address. Defendant Here-To-Stay was calm and I think brilliant as he spoke off the top of his head a little about the applicable law and a lot on the facts. I thought he made a good impression. (He and I rehearsed extensively in the days before. Always prepare. Always have someone play the other side or the judge, ever-mindful of the cost to the taxpayer, and ask hard questions during the prep.) Where I am members of the public and the press can attend hearings by phone and with anonymity. It is amazing how the courts continue to function.

As I watch this I am sobered by the costs to all. The only winners are the Board's pathetic egos and the HOA attorneys. Even if Defendant Here-To-Stay wins the lawsuit entirely, the labor and time this has cost him has been enormous. The HOA Board has destroyed him, to a large extent, using membership funds. An apathetic membership won't care.

I hope to post a full account after this dispute is out of the courts. It may be a year or more. Sorry to hijack a bit.

JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
In Texas we have to file them with the county. Interesting that is unusual regarding other states.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/27/2020 5:46 PM
In Texas we have to file them with the county. Interesting that is unusual regarding other states.

It is a waste of resources IMO to file Bylaws. CCR's are more important.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
npb,

Since it is Texas statute, why would you offer an opinion?

And CCRs aren’t “more important,” they are simply different documents for different purposes. Ya know, like a cow is not less important than a horse, just different?

Sheesh.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
The above comment folks is why we need a forum moderator. Georges21 personally targets my posts with sarcasm. I am 100 percent not affected by them, as is the intent of internet bullies. Cluttering the forum with puerile posts like his that are personally targeted diminishes the quality and reputation if this forum.
Please lobby for more forum moderation.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/26/2020 6:40 PM
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 6:30 PM
We found few months back that the bylaws were not filed at the county only the covenants,
Please cite the Section of FS 720 that requires the Bylaws to be recorded.

After any "governing document" is amended in Florida, it has to be recorded in order to be effective. This includes the Big 3 plus the Rules & Regulations.

FS 720.306(1)(e) says, "A proposal to amend the governing documents must contain the full text of the provision to be amended ... An amendment to a governing document is effective when recorded in the public records of the county in which the community is located."

No amendments? No problem and the CC&Rs is the only governing document that must be recorded. Once the Articles of Incorporation, the Bylaws, or the Rules & Regulations are amended, however, the amended document has to be recorded or else the amendment has no effect.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
As a followup, perhaps the amendment itself is the only thing that technically needs to be recorded.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
non,

I am not trying to bully, but you continue to say nonsensical things that others who are here for help might believe is related and useful.

If you say nonsensical things, or provide erroneous information, I will call you each time.

And, btw, if you dive down hypothetical rabbit holes, without noting it is hypothetical, I will call you each time.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
According to this, all governing documents except rules and regs always had to be recorded in Florida, and the law was amended to now say that rules and regs which are amended must also be recorded to be effective.

>>>Pursuant to new provisions set out in Section 720.306(1)(e) of F.S., “[a]n amendment to a governing document is effective when recorded in the public records of the county in which the community is located.” While this has certainly always been the case for a declaration, articles of incorporation, and bylaws, this is new as to rules and regulations of a homeowner’s association because they were added to the definition of the term “governing documents” as set out in Section 720.301(8), F.S. when the Statute was amended in 2015, effective on July 1st of that year.<<<<

https://www.campbellpropertymanagement.com/blog/2018/09/24/think-rules-and-regulations-do-not-need-to-be-recorded-think-again-recent-legislative-changes-affecting-homeowners-associations/
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The reason behind the Articles of Incorporation and CC&R's are required to be filed is because they are PUBLIC documents. By-laws/ACC are INTERNAL to the HOA/corporation. They are NOT public documents. States that require them to be filed means to make them public. We file ours with the CC&R's just for convenience reasons so can get access to both upon request.

It is very confusing as documents are NOT to be handed over by the HOA. Depending on what state you live in, it can be the seller or the buyer responsibility to be informed. States that require sellers to turn them over the seller can use their existing copy or get a public copy at closing. States that do not have that as requirement determine it is the BUYER responsibility to be "informed". That means no Realtor, Title company, seller, or HOA is required to provide.

By-laws are rules the HOA develops and enforces. You have to be a member to get a copy. Although most HOA's will provide them readily.

Need to understand the reasoning behind why the documents are handled as they are. The system no is not perfect and filled with loopholes. Especially if someone purchases the property at auction or other atypical sales methods. This is why they are made public so one can't claim they were not handed the documents etc...

Former HOA President
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 7:24 PM
Thanks for clarification, although I asked a lawyer and he didn't mentioned that, he just said to follow FS720 if bylaws not filed. (not the HOA lawyer as the owners has a problem to spend money on a lawyer)

We have no issue to go either way but we get different opinions

Because your bylaws are not valid in the state of Florida if not recorded, so the attorney is saying state law is going to be the only thing you can look to.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 6:30 PM
Hi,
We are a new board (Florida) serving for the first year after last board served for 9 years and all quit.
We found few months back that the bylaws were not filed at the county only the covenants.
It was known to the complex but no one really raised any attention to it and honestly it slipped the board mind due to covid 19 and other day to day we all dealing with.

The board sent the annual meeting election notice this week and mentioned that this year (same as was done every year) we will go by the FS720 as the Bylaws were not filled.

One of the members responded (adding the entire community to the distro) that she is going to check with a lawyer if the board can be accountable for not filing the bylaws and claiming the entire election is not lawful. not sure what is she really trying to achieve as she didn't suggest anything but was on the attack.

What should the board do?
Involve a lawyer? Can the board be accountable ?
Do nothing and proceed as usual?

Following is the annual notice to members - anything wrong with it?

To All Homeowners,
This is a notice of our upcoming Annual meeting, scheduled on
Saturday, January 16, 2021, at 10:00 am CT. (As agreed at the last Annual
meeting)

This year due to COVID-19 the annual meeting will be held both virtually
and in-person with a limited number of attendees. We request all owners
who plan to attend the meeting to let us know by 11/10/2020 if they plan to
attend the meeting virtually or in person, based on attendance the HOA will
check for locations and update the owners.
The board would like to encourage all homeowners which are interested in
participating on the board (One member per parcel) to send their nomination
by 11/10/2020.

Voting Ballots will be sent to homeowners by 12/04/2020 and will be
counted at the January 16, 2021 meeting.
The meeting agenda and the 2021 proposed budget will be sent with the
Ballots by 12/4/2020.

Just to clarify, as it was pointed out by a member and verified in the public
records, the bylaws were never recorded in Walton county as
specified in 720.306. (1)(e). Therefore, the HOA will follow the 720 FL
statute (720.306. (9) see appendix A).

Following are the breakdown of the next steps :
1. Homeowner (One member per Parcel) send nomination by 11/10/2020.
(Reply to this email)
2. Homeowners who like to participate in person inform the board by
11/10/2020. (Replay to this email)
3. Ballots will be sent electronically to all homeowners by 12/4/2020.
4. Ballots should be sent back by homeowners to the HOA email prior to the
meeting or handed at the meeting itself to the secretary.
5. The Ballots will be counted at the meeting by the current board.
6. The new board will announce in the meeting right after counting the
votes.
7. The newly elected board will meet to elect directors’ positions and
announce to homeowners.

Appendix A:
720.306 (9) ELECTIONS AND BOARD VACANCIES.—
(a) Elections of directors must be conducted in accordance with the
procedures set forth in the governing documents of the association. Except
as provided in paragraph (b), all members of the association are eligible to
serve on the board of directors, and a member may nominate himself or
herself as a candidate for the board at a meeting where the election is to be
held; provided, however, that if the election process allows candidates to be
nominated in advance of the meeting, the association is not required to
allow nominations at the meeting. An election is not required unless more
candidates are nominated than vacancies exist. If an election is not required
because there are either an equal number or fewer qualified candidates than
vacancies exist, and if nominations from the floor are not required pursuant
to this section or the bylaws, write-in nominations are not permitted and
such qualified candidates shall commence service on the board of directors,
regardless of whether a quorum is attained at the annual meeting. Except as
otherwise provided in the governing documents, boards of directors must be
elected by a plurality of the votes cast by eligible voters. Any challenge to
the election process must be commenced within 60 days after the election
results are announced.

Thanks in advance!

Interesting. I can see where she is coming from. It's the board's responsibility to adhere to the by laws. To have them be effective, they need to be filed.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
The rules for Florida recording Bylaws came about on 1 July 2018.

I don't believe the change requires Bylaws that had not been previously recorded, to be recorded, but did require new Bylaws and/or rewritten Bylaws after that date - as well as changed or new R&Rs to be recorded.

Many states do not require Bylaws to be recorded - in HOA history, broadly, most Bylaws likely were not recorded.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 10/28/2020 12:17 PM
The rules for Florida recording Bylaws came about on 1 July 2018.

I don't believe the change requires Bylaws that had not been previously recorded, to be recorded, but did require new Bylaws and/or rewritten Bylaws after that date - as well as changed or new R&Rs to be recorded.

Many states do not require Bylaws to be recorded - in HOA history, broadly, most Bylaws likely were not recorded.

What changed in 2018 is that rules and regs changes have to be filed, due to the fact that in 2015, they were deemed governing documents, which have always had to be recorded.

AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/28/2020 12:22 PM
<
What changed in 2018 is that rules and regs changes have to be filed, due to the fact that in 2015, they were deemed governing documents, which have always had to be recorded.
Come on now. The governing docs include the Bylaws. But FS 720 does not require Bylaws to be recorded unless there is some kind of amendment action.

Nationwide, it's the Declaration that generally is recorded. Bylaws are not usually recorded.

I am with George on this, except I am too lazy to go parse what FS 720 says about amending Bylaws and then recording the amended Bylaws yada.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/28/2020 12:27 PM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/28/2020 12:22 PM
<
What changed in 2018 is that rules and regs changes have to be filed, due to the fact that in 2015, they were deemed governing documents, which have always had to be recorded.
Come on now. The governing docs include the Bylaws. But FS 720 does not require Bylaws to be recorded unless there is some kind of amendment action.

Nationwide, it's the Declaration that generally is recorded. Bylaws are not usually recorded.

I am with George on this, except I am too lazy to go parse what FS 720 says about amending Bylaws and then recording the amended Bylaws yada.

Not according to what I read and posted above. It says that governing documents always had to be recorded in Florida, and so in 2015 when rules and regs were deemed governing documents, then an amendment had to occur in the state law to say that rules and regs changes have to be recorded.

JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 7:24 PM
Thanks for clarification, although I asked a lawyer and he didn't mentioned that, he just said to follow FS720 if bylaws not filed. (not the HOA lawyer as the owners has a problem to spend money on a lawyer)

We have no issue to go either way but we get different opinions

Note this attorney agrees that the by-laws are not valid since they are not filed.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/28/2020 12:22 PM

What changed in 2018 is that rules and regs changes have to be filed, due to the fact that in 2015, they were deemed governing documents, which have always had to be recorded.
You're right. I am wrong. Here's my new take:

===Excerpts from FS 720 ===

“Community” means the real property that is or will be subject to a declaration of covenants which is recorded in the county where the property is located.
--
8) “Governing documents” means:
(a) The recorded declaration of covenants for a community and all duly adopted and recorded amendments, supplements, and recorded exhibits thereto;
(b) The articles of incorporation and bylaws of the homeowners’ association and any duly adopted amendments thereto; and
(c) Rules and regulations adopted under the authority of the recorded declaration, articles of incorporation, or bylaws and duly adopted amendments thereto.
--
An association which operates a community as defined in s. 720.301, must be operated by an association that is a Florida corporation. After October 1, 1995, the association must be incorporated and the initial governing documents must be recorded in the official records of the county in which the community is located.
--
An amendment to a governing document is effective when recorded in the public records of the county in which the community is located.
==== End excerpts ===

The most relevant FS 720 excerpts seem to be:

"After October 1, 1995, the association must be incorporated and the initial governing documents must be recorded in the official records of the county in which the community is located."

"An amendment to a governing document is effective when recorded in the public records of the county in which the community is located."

Hence the Bylaws must be recorded with the county. Thank you for keeping the record straight.
AsafY (Florida)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Thank you everyone and AugustinD for posting the 720 documentation.

We will go by the FS720 and work to submit the bylaws at the county.

AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/26/2020 7:31 PM
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 7:24 PM
although I asked a lawyer and he didn't mentioned that, he just said to follow FS720 if bylaws not filed. (not the HOA lawyer as the owners has a problem to spend money on a lawyer)
I suggest not talking to any attorney who is not an experienced, reputable, HOA-specialized attorney.
I see I inappropriately and incorrectly disrespected AsafY's HOA's attorney. Per the exchanges above, the attorney is right.
Quote:
Posted By AsafY on 10/26/2020 6:30 PM

One of the members responded (adding the entire community to the distro) that she is going to check with a lawyer if the board can be accountable for not filing the bylaws and claiming the entire election is not lawful.
Perhaps she deserves to be informed, through the distro, that not holding the annual election, on account of the bylaws not being recorded, is even more unlawful, in the Board's opinion. Your board could mention that it had read of a number of HOAs nationwide "cancelling" elections altogether. Then be emphatic that this Board will not cancel an election, since safe elections are possible even during a pandemic. "The Board would accept tips and gratuities, but under the law this is not allowed. Your thanks are welcome whenever you think we deserve it."

Does she have a specific concern related to the election? If so she should raise it. But don't encourage her. If she's so un-read, she likely does not have constructive input. The latter is a snotty remark, but I think it's also likely true. You Directors are trying to read the governing documents and statutes and do right by the law and the HOA. It takes a lot of time. This Owner may not deserve anymore of a response than what I suggest above.

I did not check your HOA's plan for the election, conducted per FS 720, in detail, but my quick impression is that it sounds fine.

What's the hold-up in getting the Bylaws recorded with the County?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Yep - i’m dated - both my previous neighborhoods were incorporated prior to 1995 ... and that is the change year,
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
FS 720 in Florida says virtually nothing about elections procedures. It leaves most everything up to the association's Bylaws.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GenoS on 10/28/2020 11:40 PM
FS 720 in Florida says virtually nothing about elections procedures. It leaves most everything up to the association's Bylaws.
Which I think sort of begs the question as to whether the Bylaws lose all authority when they are not recorded with the County.

The FS 720 required disclosure to buyers informs buyers to refer to the governing documents before purchasing. To be annoying: Arguably this is "constructive notice."

FS 720 has large sections about suspending voting rights, notice and proxy voting, to name three election topics.

Mostly I think this is being overthought. Let the woman who is objecting file a complaint with the Florida DBPR and see how far she gets.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 10/28/2020 5:53 AM
non,

I am not trying to bully, but you continue to say nonsensical things that others who are here for help might believe is related and useful.

If you say nonsensical things, or provide erroneous information, I will call you each time.

And, btw, if you dive down hypothetical rabbit holes, without noting it is hypothetical, I will call you each time.

I agree.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/29/2020 7:22 AM
Posted By GenoS on 10/28/2020 11:40 PM
FS 720 in Florida says virtually nothing about elections procedures. It leaves most everything up to the association's Bylaws.
Which I think sort of begs the question as to whether the Bylaws lose all authority when they are not recorded with the County.

The FS 720 required disclosure to buyers informs buyers to refer to the governing documents before purchasing. To be annoying: Arguably this is "constructive notice."

FS 720 has large sections about suspending voting rights, notice and proxy voting, to name three election topics.

Mostly I think this is being overthought. Let the woman who is objecting file a complaint with the Florida DBPR and see how far she gets.

You're not getting my vote to ignore the law because you don't find it helpful or useful. OP states they will file the by-laws, and I agree with that action.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
OK - so, when was Asaf’s HOA incorporated? If prior to 1995, would it’s bylaws need to be recorded, if there were no changes?
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 10/29/2020 9:32 AM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 10/28/2020 5:53 AM
non,

I am not trying to bully, but you continue to say nonsensical things that others who are here for help might believe is related and useful.

If you say nonsensical things, or provide erroneous information, I will call you each time.

And, btw, if you dive down hypothetical rabbit holes, without noting it is hypothetical, I will call you each time.


I agree.

I disagree.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
I disagree. Just look at GeorgeS21s recent threads. Why do you think posters should emulate GeorgeS21's online behavior?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Looking past the ankle biting, Asaf, can you tell us the date your HOA (it is an HOA, right?) was incorporated?

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