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MarilynN1 (Michigan)
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Here in South Florida, after our Zoom Board Meeting discussion, we are leaning toward no relatives and quests being allowed in Commons areas of our Club/Condo until this virus is gone. They can only go to the beach. They are allowed to go into the condo, take the elevator to their host residence and stay there for any amount of time or visit. We have been in a lock down now since March 15th which has been doable since we have very few summer residents here in our community of 365 owners.
What are other communties doing in regard to having company coming into your communities? We're talking starting now and holiday's such as Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, etc. Don't forget all the college kids coming to be with the grandparents and the parents coming with them too! We are not a 55 and older community butI would say it's 65% older owners over 65 years old.
Hope to get much needed discussion on this............Thank you, be safe!!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Why not mandate to wear masks inside your building/common areas? It's a space that may not allow social distancing. If people can't wear a mask for that amount of time in that amount of space, then don't let them in.

Former HOA President
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MarilynN1 on 10/19/2020 8:27 PM
Here in South Florida, after our Zoom Board Meeting discussion, we are leaning toward no relatives and quests being allowed in Commons areas of our Club/Condo until this virus is gone. They can only go to the beach. They are allowed to go into the condo, take the elevator to their host residence and stay there for any amount of time or visit. We have been in a lock down now since March 15th which has been doable since we have very few summer residents here in our community of 365 owners.
What are other communties doing in regard to having company coming into your communities? We're talking starting now and holiday's such as Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, etc. Don't forget all the college kids coming to be with the grandparents and the parents coming with them too! We are not a 55 and older community butI would say it's 65% older owners over 65 years old.
Hope to get much needed discussion on this............Thank you, be safe!!

Makes sense to me. Our pool finally opened but nothing else. No gym, etc. Certainly we would not open up the gym to guests. I think it should be open for US, but whatever. They fear some sort of liability perhaps. Don't want to pay to make sure it's sanitized.

Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Jennifer,

I let slide the other, but your statement on the wearing of masks is ignorant nonsense.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 10/20/2020 5:14 AM
Jennifer,

I let slide the other, but your statement on the wearing of masks is ignorant nonsense.

What is ignorant? You think masks mean we can return to normal and be fine? No more distancing or other precautions?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Masks are not a substitute for distancing, they're "in addition to" even with full compliance (unless you're in full medical protection gear). In confined spaces, especially indoor spaces without serious ventilation, there is no "safe", there is only "less unsafe".

We humans seem to be trying our darnedest to convince ourselves of all sorts of things. The virus isn't listening.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 10/20/2020 5:28 AM
Masks are not a substitute for distancing, they're "in addition to" even with full compliance (unless you're in full medical protection gear). In confined spaces, especially indoor spaces without serious ventilation, there is no "safe", there is only "less unsafe".

We humans seem to be trying our darnedest to convince ourselves of all sorts of things. The virus isn't listening.

Right. Best not to allow guests into the amenities, imo. Too much unneeded risk. Were I a resident there, I'd appreciate that only other residents could also come in. The pool, I don't care. Plenty of space for distancing and it's outside.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/20/2020 4:21 AM
Why not mandate to wear masks inside your building/common areas? It's a space that may not allow social distancing. If people can't wear a mask for that amount of time in that amount of space, then don't let them in.

Who is going to enforce that? Who is going to stand guard and make sure people keep their masks on? Our association is definitely not paying extra security detail for that.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Actually, you may not need to worry about a ton of visitors after all. The COVID numbers are popping all over the place and some places mandate self-quarantine if you're visiting from a hotspot (how they enforce that I have no idea). My employer has a similar rule - I just came off a 10-day quarantine after checking on my mother in a hotspot state, and I've decided not to do any more traveling until spring unless it's an emergency.

I saw an article where Dr. Fauci said people really need to rethink holiday visits this year, meaning some college students may wind up staying on campus rather than putting others (especially the elderly) at risk. My sister and I are now talking about setting up some sort of Zoom thanksgiving and asking Mon relatives back home to host my mother and another cousin for thanksgiving so they won't be alone (they don't have cable or the internet).

In your case, I think it's best to require masks and social distancing in the common areas (my office building has such a rule). For amenities like exercise rooms, you may want to shut those down altogether unless homeowners are willing to pay extra for disinfecting equipment and use it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said the same thing until he came down with Covid-19. From a few days ago:

"I was wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and I was wrong not to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the President and the rest of the team."

Mr Christie said he hoped his experience would encourage Americans to follow virus guidelines "in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and others."

I wish that all the non-mask wearers move to a state that welcomes them. Then they can either die of Covid, or suffer life-long debilitation as a result of Covid, with a much lower chance or infecting the rest of us.

I agree with GeorgeS21 on this.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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I think SheliaH's post is right on as well.

I too heard what Dr. Fauci said about the holidays. He is right, of course.

Visits to my elderly relatives in another state are not possible. They do not want the risk. They are right. Phone calls will do in the place of visits.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By AugustinD on 10/20/2020 7:38 AM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said the same thing until he came down with Covid-19. From a few days ago:

"I was wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and I was wrong not to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the President and the rest of the team."

Mr Christie said he hoped his experience would encourage Americans to follow virus guidelines "in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and others."

I wish that all the non-mask wearers move to a state that welcomes them. Then they can either die of Covid, or suffer life-long debilitation as a result of Covid, with a much lower chance or infecting the rest of us.

I agree with GeorgeS21 on this.

I didn't say I am anti mask. I said masks don't mean we toss out distancing and other precautions.
AugustinD
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 7:54 AM
I didn't say I am anti mask. I said masks don't mean we toss out distancing and other precautions.
You are welcome to retract the following statement:
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.
AFAIC, you are saying that you are not pro-mask.

I think, "I didn't say" is code for, 'I do not want to say, because then people will not want to be around me.' You have a right to your opinion. But this is an incredibly serious health crisis. Expect your opinion to be met with counter-opinions.

I still picture the piling up of bodies in refrigerated trucks alongside New York City hospitals. I still picture exhausted, heroic, underpaid health care workers in Texas as well as New York.

Regarding enforcement of the mask rule: Businesses nationwide are finding it is pretty easy to enforce.

Have the Board make a Rule based on the 'well-being' clause in the condo's governing docs. Enforce the rule with a $100 fine for the first violation; $500 fine for the second violation; $1500 fine for the third violation.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By AugustinD on 10/20/2020 8:04 AM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 7:54 AM
I didn't say I am anti mask. I said masks don't mean we toss out distancing and other precautions.
You are welcome to retract the following statement:
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.
AFAIC, you are saying that you are not pro-mask.

I think, "I didn't say" is code for, 'I do not want to say, because then people will not want to be around me.' You have a right to your opinion. But this is an incredibly serious health crisis. Expect your opinion to be met with counter-opinions.

I still picture the piling up of bodies in refrigerated trucks alongside New York City hospitals. I still picture exhausted, heroic, underpaid health care workers in Texas as well as New York.

Regarding enforcement of the mask rule: Businesses nationwide are finding it is pretty easy to enforce.

Have the Board make a Rule based on the 'well-being' clause in the condo's governing docs. Enforce the rule with a $100 fine for the first violation; $500 fine for the second violation; $1500 fine for the third violation.

Your attempt at mind reading is a total failure.

Allow me to be more clear. I am pro mask. I wear a mask anytime I am around other people and expect them to do the same. What I object to, is when people think that masks mean we can now abandon social distancing, which makes us very unsafe.

If one thinks that excess people (guests) in an amenity is risky (and I do), then having them wear masks does not mean 'ok, hey now that is not risky anymore, let in as many people as would like to come'.

In Texas, when the mask mandate came about, we did not then go full capacity at restaurants and there are still other restrictions. Why? Because as I said in my first post on this topic, masks are not magic shields against this virus. Distancing is still crucial. We don't need too many people in the gym, even with masks.

AugustinD
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 8:17 AM
Very well.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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We're a high rise condo, marilyn. Our demographics are like yours. We made an emergency rule in early May that no guests are permitted in the pool area or gym. We limit the # in the pool area to 10 and recently bumped it to 17. We removed some chairs for tables to discourage folks being too close together.

We require masks for everyone over 5 in all of our interior & exterior common areas. It's been easy to enforce and we would call to hearing and fine anyone who breaks that rule.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.

This is a very dangerous falsehood.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GenoS on 10/20/2020 11:03 AM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.

This is a very dangerous falsehood.

I agree.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By GenoS on 10/20/2020 11:03 AM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 4:52 AM
Masks are not magic shields and too onerous to enforce.

This is a very dangerous falsehood.

Really? So when we wear masks, we are totally safe?

No more need for distancing, gather in as large of a group as we wish, pack as many people as an amenity area will hold, and as long as they have masks on, they are fine?

MarilynN1 (Michigan)
Posts: 30
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Oh my !!! I did not say anything about a mask.........I thought that was a given!! At the gate, before you enter our property, EVERYONE is required.............even walking to the pool or any where, buildings, etc. You can take your mask off in your own space by the pool but must wear a mask covering your nose and mouth. Our gym allows 5 people at a time from 8 am to 3 pm and no trainers as it would take away from a resident head count. Most haven't come there yet so we get 3 or 4 at most. No relatives or vistors that are staying in your condo are allowed. Just heard from Board meeting last night we will be sending a email to all residents discouraging any family from coming here.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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And, another dead end.
MarilynN1 (Michigan)
Posts: 30
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Still have my Michigan ID........in South Florida now..............boy, do I miss Michigan, it's crazy down here!!!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I'm with you, Marilyn--don't know how all this mask talk got into your post. It sounds like your HOA is doing pretty-much what ours is doing.

(My city, too, has a mask requirement. )
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 10/20/2020 1:11 PM
I'm with you, Marilyn--don't know how all this mask talk got into your post. It sounds like your HOA is doing pretty-much what ours is doing.

(My city, too, has a mask requirement. )

Melissa suggested masks as a solution to guests in the amenities.
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
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Mine bans any non-residents from using common areas (except hallways/elevators en route to someone's apartment); requires a temperature check when entering the property; and requires masks when in common areas. I think that's a good way to do it.
MarkM19 (Texas)
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It amazes me how we have all become health experts over the last 9 months.

Just for the record I am in the High Risk category for several reasons. I am not scared but cautious and don't want to get it and after a few months my wife lets me go to the store and run a few errands a couple of times a week. Yes I wear masks every time I am out in public. I feel that this makes everyone feel a little safer and after getting used to breathing in the darn things it is not a big deal. I was on a ventilator 4 years ago with a major Respiratory illness and the after effects are serous. The drug they gave me to induce the medical coma was the same thing that killed Michael Jackson. I luckily am about 85% of what I was before the sickness.

We all need to do our part to keep ourselves safe and keep others around us from spreading it. We also have to live our lives which means taking some limited risks to avoid locking ourselves in our homes till we die from that.

Everyone has their own situation and for anyone of us to try and preach to others about what is best for them is a bit hypocritical.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Mark,

Wearing a mask in public doesn’t make me feel better - it makes me know I am helping others a lot, and myself a bit, as well.

Doctors tell us what is best for us all the time - they overwhelmingly support the wearing of masks - I don’t think I am being hypocritical at all by insisting others wear a mask.
MarkM19 (Texas)
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I also think that as a HOA board member we need to set safety guidelines that are understandable and are well thought out. I promise no one on the Planet had a Covid-19 plan in place on 1/1/2020. We all have had to use our best judgement and the advice we get from Health professional (Not the talking heads on TVs) and stick with them. Not no makes today and then mandatory tomorrow ad then no need again. We all have limited budgets for the signage and safety protocols.

In Texas we follow the State guidelines and as they open things we open things. They raise capacity at pools we raise them. When we get questioned we point to the State or the County.
MarkM19 (Texas)
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George,
Sorry I was not calling out any one post and certainly not yours. I agree with you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Understand this. A mask does NOT make you "Safe". It has nothing to do with your ability to get the virus. The purpose of a mask is to STOP the SPREAD. Meaning a mask puts out 6 INCHES of snot versus no mask that is 3 - 6 Feet of snot. It's like running through a broken sprinkler system. Don't you want to walk past the gurgling spray head or the one reaching the sidewalk?

FYI: I had Coronavirus/Covid-19. It took me 6 months to get over it. Was VERY lucky as did not have breathing issues even though I have asthma. Instead I have lost a ton of hair. Could not use my right wrist without pain. Took 3 cortisone shots and still did not take the pain away. It's better now as suspect it was caused by a blood clot. Have been EXTREMELY exhausted NOT tired. Insomnia galore but no energy to get up. Headache worse than a migraine. I can no longer get a sunburn. Just diagnosed with Retina thinning in danger of tearing a retina. Did have a small cough like clearing throat for 2 months. I felt like had very low blood sugar where it was draining out my bones. Overall it was NOT the flu...

So I still wear a mask when at work or close to others Have been subject to several quarantines every time a positive pops up at work. Haven't even met my new co-workers for the most part. They have all been sent home. 1 week in March we were joking about the "Corona" and by the end of the week everyone was home not to be seen since.

Oh and I caught the virus cause someone coughed. We were told NOT to wear masks at the time. I didn't even realize I had the virus until it was too late. Plus could not get tested even though I was exposed. By time could get a test opportunity, my quarantine period was over.

So for anyone who thinks a mask doesn't or won't work... I wish so much it had been recommended at the very beginning. Luckily, I didn't spread it as everyone was quarantined. Plus I took every measure possible with wearing a mask and washing hands. The guilt of thinking I may have made someone sick is the worst feeling of it all. Wear a mask...

Former HOA President
ChrisE8
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Melissa, so sorry you had to go through that! You did the right thing in how you responded, definitely.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/20/2020 4:03 PM
Understand this. A mask does NOT make you "Safe". It has nothing to do with your ability to get the virus. The purpose of a mask is to STOP the SPREAD. Meaning a mask puts out 6 INCHES of snot versus no mask that is 3 - 6 Feet of snot.

What? 'Stopping the spread' means not transmitting the virus. Masks reduce the chances of transmitting the virus, it doesn't eliminate them. I can't make heads or tails out of a mask 'putting out 6' of snot'.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Not sure Jennifer what you can't understand. Spread doesn't equal stopping the virus. It means lowering your chances of catching it by less exposure or viral load. Less SPRAY of the potential virus being exposed.

It's just like I said. It's like standing in front of a broken sprinkler. A mask is the broken sprinkler. No mask is the working one at 6 feet. Still going to be "snot" but not as far or as much exposure. Snot equals what spreads the virus airborne which is your spray from your nose/mouth when you sneeze or cough.

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JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/20/2020 4:46 PM
Not sure Jennifer what you can't understand. Spread doesn't equal stopping the virus. It means lowering your chances of catching it by less exposure or viral load. Less SPRAY of the potential virus being exposed.

It's just like I said. It's like standing in front of a broken sprinkler. A mask is the broken sprinkler. No mask is the working one at 6 feet. Still going to be "snot" but not as far or as much exposure. Snot equals what spreads the virus airborne which is your spray from your nose/mouth when you sneeze or cough.

You said a mask 'puts out' 6' of snot.

Droplets of SALIVA come out of our mouths when we so much as speak. It's not just sneezes and coughs, that is why we are all supposed to wear masks even if we are not coughing or sneezing.

'Spread doesn't equal stopping the virus'

This is odd phrasing.

When we speak of 'stopping the spread' we mean transmission of the virus. The word 'spread' is not referring to mucus. When the phrase 'Community spread' is used, it's not referring to mucus, it is referring to the spread (transmission) of the virus.

You refrained from 'spreading the virus' when you stayed at home when you had it. To use the term again correctly.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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I said "snot" to reflect mucus/saliva/spray from nose/mouth area. Wearing a mask keeps a sneeze/cough from spreading outward 3 to 6 feet. Instead wearing a mask keeps those droplets around 6 inches from your face.

So your NOT going to stop the virus by wearing a mask alone. CDC doesn't even say that. It says wear one when you can't be away from others 6 feet or within close contact. You can still get the virus from wearing a mask even the M95 masks. It just means you have to be basically in someone's face and breathing in when they talk/sing/cough/sneeze.

Luckily for me the work place environment I work in is some of the most educated on the virus. They are handling it better than most places. We get briefings on a regular basis and taking the proper steps. I get exposed pretty often but it's handled by removing the individual including myself. We wear masks even in the bathrooms. Which btw is one of the most likely place you will catch it because of the toilet spray into the air. So do NOT take mask off in a bathroom...

Former HOA President
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/20/2020 5:12 PM

So your NOT going to stop the virus by wearing a mask alone.

Exactly. Which is why it's better to simply restrict guests from using common areas. The mask conversation began with you suggesting guests be permitted as long as they wear masks.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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What is the difference between going to the grocery store with a mask on and having visitors in a common area?

Former HOA President
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 5:41 PM
The mask conversation began with you suggesting guests be permitted as long as they wear masks.

It started when you said wearing a mask was "onerous".
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/20/2020 5:42 PM
What is the difference between going to the grocery store with a mask on and having visitors in a common area?

Grocery stores are a profit generating business that wants as many people they can get in there as possible. It is not a safe environment regarding COVID at all. They continue to operate as they do because food is required to live.

An HOA is not charging guests for entry to common areas, and there is no advantage to having as many as possible at any time. During a pandemic, there is a severe disadvantage to opening up areas for people to congregate and permitting as many as possible to do so. Access to amenities is not essential to live.

If masks made us safe enough to do everything as we usually do, the entire country would be in a lot better shape. It is not even known how much masks help. What you wrote is not scientific at all. There is no study that says with masks, one must be 'in someone's face' to contract COVID.

Not even N95's can make that claim, certainly not these 'surgical' masks many of us wear, or cloth masks.

Talking emits so many droplets, it's not far off from coughing. The droplets are so small, it takes several minutes for gravity to cause them to fall.

Everywhere indoors is a petri dish. The more people allowed in, the worse it is.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By GenoS on 10/20/2020 5:51 PM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 5:41 PM
The mask conversation began with you suggesting guests be permitted as long as they wear masks.

It started when you said wearing a mask was "onerous".

Right, well consider context.

The OP stated that they are restricting access. A poster suggested an unnecessary onerous task for the HOA, to allow access but with masks, which someone then has to stand and enforce. Option A makes a lot more sense.
MarkM19 (Texas)
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Like I said earlier we are all arm chair MDs now based on the Networks or Social Media we believe. The only difference is we do not have to buy Malpractice insurance when we dole out our advice to who is listening.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By GenoS on 10/20/2020 5:51 PM
Posted By JenniferG11 on 10/20/2020 5:41 PM
The mask conversation began with you suggesting guests be permitted as long as they wear masks.

It started when you said wearing a mask was "onerous".

Correction: I said enforcement is onerous.

There is no benefit to allowing guests to use amenities at this time, mask or no mask. Allowing in extra people who then need monitoring creates a burden on the HOA for what purpose?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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It doesn't cause extra load on the HOA other than normal times. Just wear a mask doesn't add or subtract on the HOA. That just doesn't make sense. No one needs to be policing visitors that are with the owners. You police the people who don't belong there doing damage.

Former HOA President
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/20/2020 7:54 PM
It doesn't cause extra load on the HOA other than normal times. Just wear a mask doesn't add or subtract on the HOA. That just doesn't make sense. No one needs to be policing visitors that are with the owners. You police the people who don't belong there doing damage.

So you would 'require' masks but not make sure masks were actually worn.

To each their own. OP's association decided to go with least risky plan. No guests for now due to COVID.

Our gym is permitting one person at a time which means no guests since guests have to be with owners/tenants.

They are allowed at the pool. We had volunteer monitors to 'enforce' COVID restrictions. The pool stayed closed until there were volunteers to ensure that only x number of people were in the pool at a given time and other new rules. Some were willing to pay security if that what was required to get it open. The board had to concern itself with lawsuits due to COVID transmission and a possible lawsuit from an owner who wanted the pool open.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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The HOA ain't your momma. Put a sign up mask required and done. How hard is that? Municipality may have laws on how to handle non mask wearers. Some give fines and other masks/warning. That is a local issue not an HOA. HOA is to be compliant to local laws.

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JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/21/2020 6:53 AM
The HOA ain't your momma. Put a sign up mask required and done. How hard is that? Municipality may have laws on how to handle non mask wearers. Some give fines and other masks/warning. That is a local issue not an HOA. HOA is to be compliant to local laws.

That might work for you and your community. It doesn't work for OPs community. They have the goal of protecting a largely aged community from the virus, and feel that excess people in the common areas is just not something they need or want to accommodate, since it directly impacts the health and safety of actual residents.

Masks are not a magic shield against the virus, and merely wearing them instead of just not allowing the people there at all is not a good solution for them.

Since there is a limit on how many may be in the common areas at any given time to accommodate social distancing, allowing guests in would leave residents to be even more restricted in when they could enjoy their amenities.

Even with distancing and masks, the more people breathing and talking in an indoor space, the higher the chances of spreading the virus. The goal for all indoor spaces is to reduce the number of people in them. Our office will have one at a time, by appointment. Masks do not permit us to throw all other caution to the wind, unfortunately, as wonderful as it would be if they did.

If masks were that effective, the entire world could go back to normal. It's not happening.

MarshallT (New York)
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Hi,

I think what you're doing now is a good idea. You may consider making it mandatory for all people to wear masks outside of condo units.

You could also impose a limit on the number of guests an owner can have in their unit at one time. 10 people would be a very reasonable number, but if you could live with 6-8, that would be good too.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By MarshallT on 10/21/2020 7:50 AM
Hi,

I think what you're doing now is a good idea. You may consider making it mandatory for all people to wear masks outside of condo units.

You could also impose a limit on the number of guests an owner can have in their unit at one time. 10 people would be a very reasonable number, but if you could live with 6-8, that would be good too.

I am glad we don't have to wear masks outside. Our state mandate is to wear them when we can't distance. The county mandate says all businesses regardless. I guess we'd have to mask at an outdoor event where distancing isn't possible, but where I live there is no way police would ever enforce such.

At our HOA National night Out, two people didn't want to wear masks and that doesn't bother me, because I feel that anyone uncomfortable with that could just stay away from those two people. I understand some would have a very different reaction, but I am not a mask nazi. In public, I practice what I preach and move further away from people who lack masks, I don't get mad at them. For all I know they have a condition. I also just think it's appropriate for me to worry about myself rather than trying to police others. The event was outdoors with oodles of space to be as far as one wanted to be from anyone else.

Anyway, I would object very strongly to a rule about masks outside at my condo complex. I don't need one to take the trash or go to the mailbox or walk to get off property or walk around on property. That does come down to individual responsibility.

If someone is fearful outside, they need to handle themselves, not make me mask far away from them OUTSIDE.

I do have a neighbor like that, upset about people at the tennis courts without masks. They are outside. Unlikely to run out of the tennis area and get anywhere near her. She has to take responsibility for herself, wear her mask, and keep her distance from others.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Dead end.

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