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ChrisE8
Posts: 454
Posted:
Among the advice that is frequently given on this board is a recurring theme: "if you're living in a mismanaged HOA, get on the board and fix it."

That can be really hard; often the board and the governing documents are stacked against transparency and owner involvement, and mobilizing neighbors to replace a board can take a long time and make a lot of enemies.

Being part of a community means living with the community's choices, and if owners don't care enough about poor governance, don't they deserve the HOA and board that they have? And isn't telling someone in a bad HOA to work to fix the HOA basically asking the person to fight battles that benefit others, while asking the person to bear all of the costs and risk?

If you're living in a bad HOA, in my view, often the easiest way to fix the situation is to MOVE.

I'll step off my soapbox now. Thanks.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Even those of us who advise people to run for the board will often qualify their advice.

My often-repeated comment is that one should always analyze the pros and cons before making a decision:

* How much do you love your home/your neighborhood?

* Is there something unique about it that will make it worth all the issues that come with it?

* In contrast, is your home easily replaceable?

* Do you personally have the time, knowledge and skills needed to serve on the board? A lot of people don't, and I don't intend that to be a criticism, just a statement of fact.

The large majority of people who buy into HOAs or COAs don't understand one important point. **Ownership in these communities combines home ownership with features of owning a business.** Buyers become the legal and financial partners of a bunch of people they did not choose, and some number of these people will be bad bets. Sheila once commented that buying a condo is like walking into a bar and becoming the business partner of everybody in the joint. That sums it up very well.

Living in an HOA or COA can be a great experience, as long as it's well run (and you personally aren't doing any of the work).

Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to tell from the outside what sort of community you're buying into. Appearances can be deceiving. And a well-run community can turn almost overnight as the demographics change or if an incompetent board takes over.

GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Ever not like your elected officials? Ya know, president, representative, senator, governor, mayor, city council? Did you move because you didn’t like them?

HOA directors are elected officials ... their involvement is based on their constituents voting for them. If enough are happy with their board, it stays. If not, then they vote for replacement directors.
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 10/18/2020 6:11 AM
Ever not like your elected officials? Ya know, president, representative, senator, governor, mayor, city council? Did you move because you didn’t like them?

HOA directors are elected officials ... their involvement is based on their constituents voting for them. If enough are happy with their board, it stays. If not, then they vote for replacement directors.

Yes, I used to live in an area where the government was full of rabid partisans of the other party...I moved, and I'm not the only one who's done that.

But your point is valid. Thank you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The reason for Apathy is most people don't want to get involved. Just want to pay their dues and move along. Don't want to be bothered with running or being involved in their neighborhood. So if you are NOT wanting that type of lifestyle, I say don't move into a HOA. Atleast do your research BEFORE deciding to move into one. If your NOT willing to participate, then understand your money still does. So keep paying your dues and keep your mouth shut.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Moving is not always possible for lotsa reasons.

With George, replacing the board majority can be done. Just did it a year ago in my HOA. BUT the owner must be willing to seek other owners so they can band together, meet, educated themselves about their governing documents, establish goals, elect new candidates for director and then act to replace the bad Board.

Too often on this forum we see owners who do want to make changes in their HOA and try to go it alone. These "rugged individualists" rarely succeed. They even go to court and get some kind of settlement. But their Board can come out unscathed.

I don't think that, as Chris believe, that many HOAs' governing documents inhibit transparency. But some state's statutes do. In NY, for instance, open board meetings are not required.
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
Posted:
KerryL1 (and others), good points.

Yes, NY has high levels of public corruption, which I think affects the quality of legislation--e.g., big Manhattan real estate firms dump money into elections, and laws are written to account for their interests, not the interests of individuals. Maybe I'm jaded, but that's how I see it.

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