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AnaD (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Since becoming president in February, the Secretary and VP have sold their homes and the positions have not been filled. Is this a legal issue? I took over the position after the previous president stepped down to become a board member. When he was running the show, there were three of us who were board members, no delegated secretary or VP, but tonight he replies to an email I sent out that our HOA is not compliant with laws and is unacceptable.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
FS 720 is on line.

What do your Bylaws say?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By AnaD on 09/24/2020 6:41 PM
Since becoming president in February, the Secretary and VP have sold their homes and the positions have not been filled. Is this a legal issue? I took over the position after the previous president stepped down to become a board member. When he was running the show, there were three of us who were board members, no delegated secretary or VP, but tonight he replies to an email I sent out that our HOA is not compliant with laws and is unacceptable.


The Florida Not for Profit Corporation Act says:

617.0840 Required officers.—
(1) A corporation shall have the officers described in its articles of incorporation or its bylaws who shall be elected or appointed at such time and for such terms as is provided in the articles of incorporation or the bylaws. In the absence of any such provisions, all officers shall be elected or appointed by the board of directors annually.
(2) A duly appointed officer may appoint one or more officers or assistant officers if authorized by the bylaws or the board of directors.
(3) The bylaws or the board of directors shall delegate to one of the officers responsibility for preparing minutes of the directors’ and members’ meetings and for authenticating records of the corporation.
(4) The same individual may simultaneously hold more than one office in a corporation.

-- Contact the Florida Secretary of State and get a copy of your HOA's Articles of Incorporation. Quote here what it says about officers.

-- Quote exactly what your Bylaws say about officers, please.

Painfully, I do not think you ever established whether your HOA is subject to FS 720 or FS 718. In another thread I was leaning toward FS 720 being applicable. If it is, then there is still no clear requirement for officers.

If you do not have enough directors (pursuant to the Bylaws), this is another problem. If you do not know the difference between officers and directors, this is the biggest problem at the moment.
AnaD (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
The expired bylaws say there should be 9 directors and this year we started off with 5, down to 3 currently.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I think Augie nailed it. FS 617 requires corporations not-for-profit to have all the officers called for in the Bylaws. My HOA Bylaws say the officers shall be a P, a VP, a Treasurer and a Secretary. The offices can be combined. We have no VP and haven't had one since February, in contravention to FS 617. Something so simple to fix and yet there's no interest or urgency to do so. Our Bylaws also say that in the event of a vacancy in any of the Officer positions, a replacement shall be appointed ASAP. Nope! "We don't care what the law says, never mind the Bylaws." The homeowners seem to be OK with that. We'll be selling and moving before the end of next year.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I’ve never heard of Bylaws expiring - is this common?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Ana,

Why have you not appointed more directors?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By AnaD on 09/24/2020 8:45 PM
The expired bylaws say there should be 9 directors and this year we started off with 5, down to 3 currently.
Do you know the difference between a HOA director and a HOA officer?
AnaD (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
What am I supposed to do, knock on my neighbor's doors and demand they make themselves useful?!
AnaD (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
I feel pretty confident the HOA I am in is the most defunct one you could possibly imagine. Am I going to spend all of my free time fixing it, nope. Will I spend a little time every day until it is eventually where it should be, sure. Back to my original question...Is there a Florida Law requiring each position to be filled. Sounds like the answer is a big NO and that one member fulfilling all 3 officer roles of Prez, VP, and secretary does not violate anything.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
How come you do not respond to the queries others and I put to you?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By AnaD on 09/24/2020 9:32 PM
I feel pretty confident the HOA I am in is the most defunct one you could possibly imagine. Am I going to spend all of my free time fixing it, nope. Will I spend a little time every day until it is eventually where it should be, sure. Back to my original question...Is there a Florida Law requiring each position to be filled. Sounds like the answer is a big NO and that one member fulfilling all 3 officer roles of Prez, VP, and secretary does not violate anything.

You're not listening. Start with your Bylaws. FS 617 requires you to have all officers listed in your Bylaws.

If your question is "do they all have to be separate people or can they all be the same person?" well.... that's a different question. The answer is still, "look in your Bylaws".
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yes, Ana, read your bylaws. We here do not know what they say.

And, please do answer the good questions put to you by others.

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