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DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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First, some background. Our community is a couple of years old, closing in on 50% of its planned residents, and the HOA Board is still controlled by the developer. I was recently elected as the sole resident Board Member, and I'm trying to get a handle on what, in my eyes, appears to be a bit of a mess in the way things are being run.

Now, we have an Architectural Review Committee, made up of volunteers appointed a year ago by the Board President. My first question deals with how the ARC should be operating. Prior to COVID they had monthly meetings to discuss all applications. The meetings were never announced and were not open to our residents. No minutes were taken or published. Since COVID they have stopped conducting meetings. Instead, application for ARC approval resident in a Google folder and members of the committee individually download and review documents and approve or deny without discussing with other members of the committee. Which has resulted in identical requests being denied to some residents and approved to others.

My question is, how much of this acceptable? I had thought decisions had to be made by the committee, that meetings had to be open, and that minutes had to be published. But I also know that a lot of these rules don't apply when we are still in the phase that the developer controls the Board. Any insight would be appreciated.

My second question is that when I read through the Declarations for our community, I see reference to an Architectural Board, which is given the power to create a a set of Architectural Guidelines. We don't have anything called an Architectural Board, nor do we have a set of Architectural Guidelines. Within the Declarations there are specific items listed, such as no clothe lines, no trailers parked in driveways, specifications for allowable fences and design of decks and patios. But no specific document known as Architectural Guidelines. I don't believe the ARC is the Architectural Board, because I'm quite sure they don't have the power to change our rules. Is it possible I'm completely missing something?

As always, I appreciate all of the thoughtful advice this forum has been providing to me.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You answered part of your question - the community is still controlled by the developer, so until the homeowners take charge, it can pretty do whatever it wants. That means it could select advisory committee members and overrule them, or even changes the ARC requirement s.

Have you asked these questions of the developer? If so, what was the response? You could say you're concerned about the committee's consistency in decision making - if one person say yes,and another says no, how is that conflict resolved? You might also ask some of the homeowners who've gone through the process for their opinion. Even if someone got their requests approved, there could be concerns about the process.

Committee functions can vary by community - at the very least, I'd want to see reports submitted to the board summarizing what the did and when, and perhaps make recommendations to the board, which usually has the final authority on association issues. I put more transparency issues on the board because they're elected by homeowners (that doesn't apply to you community yet), so if it commissions an advisory committee, homeowners need to know what it's been charged to do an advisory committee IS NOT the board.

Some CCRS may call for certain committees and design standards like yours, but once again, the developer may veto or amend them. You could ask If the developer has any established and if those are being distributed to homeowners so they'll know what's required. If there aren't any, maybe you should volunteer to help draft them with another committee.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By SheliaH on 09/20/2020 8:18 AM
You answered part of your question - the community is still controlled by the developer, so until the homeowners take charge, it can pretty do whatever it wants. That means it could select advisory committee members and overrule them, or even changes the ARC requirement s.

Have you asked these questions of the developer? If so, what was the response? You could say you're concerned about the committee's consistency in decision making - if one person say yes,and another says no, how is that conflict resolved? You might also ask some of the homeowners who've gone through the process for their opinion. Even if someone got their requests approved, there could be concerns about the process.

Committee functions can vary by community - at the very least, I'd want to see reports submitted to the board summarizing what the did and when, and perhaps make recommendations to the board, which usually has the final authority on association issues. I put more transparency issues on the board because they're elected by homeowners (that doesn't apply to you community yet), so if it commissions an advisory committee, homeowners need to know what it's been charged to do an advisory committee IS NOT the board.

Some CCRS may call for certain committees and design standards like yours, but once again, the developer may veto or amend them. You could ask If the developer has any established and if those are being distributed to homeowners so they'll know what's required. If there aren't any, maybe you should volunteer to help draft them with another committee.

I agree. When under developer control that committees/BOD's are advisory at best. The developer has the final word.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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In my responses below I am bearing in mind that by all indications, this HOA is still developer controlled.
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Posted By DavidG45 on 09/20/2020 6:40 AM
application for ARC approval resident in a Google folder and members of the committee individually download and review documents and approve or deny without discussing with other members of the committee.
In my experience this is fine. I do not think I have ever seen a requirement in a HOA's Declaration or Bylaws for an ARC to record and preserve Minutes; have meetings open to owners; et cetera.

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Posted By DavidG45 on 09/20/2020 6:40 AM
Which has resulted in identical requests being denied to some residents and approved to others.
This is asking for trouble, regardless of whether the HOA is still developer-controlled.

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Posted By DavidG45 on 09/20/2020 6:40 AM

My second question is that when I read through the Declarations for our community, I see reference to an Architectural Board, which is given the power to create a a set of Architectural Guidelines. We don't have anything called an Architectural Board, nor do we have a set of Architectural Guidelines.
Ask the developer to change the name of the ARC to reflect what is in the Declaration.
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Posted By DavidG45 on 09/20/2020 6:40 AM

Within the Declarations there are specific items listed, such as no clothe lines, no trailers parked in driveways, specifications for allowable fences and design of decks and patios. But no specific document known as Architectural Guidelines.
Often Declarations give the HOA (typically via an ARC or ARB) the opportunity to set guidelines that conform with the covenants. To comment intelligently on what sort of guidelines are options for your HOA would require a review of much of the Declaration. If you want, you can post here just the section of your Declaration that talks about architectural rules; the ARB/ARC; guidelines, et cetera. I for one will try to give it a look and let you know if I think anything else is needed for me to comment intelligently.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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If Covenants/Bylaws tried to lest everything acceptable or not, they could be hundreds of pages long and still not cover all issues that might arise. As an example, our Covenants say the BOD is tasked to maintain "community standards".

An example: each of our 112 patio homes has a natural wood, shadow box style, 6ft privacy fence around each its backyard. Our docs make no mention of fences in any way shape or form. We got a request from someone to lower their back fence to 4ft so they could enjoy the view of the retention pond behind their home. We denied it. They replied: Where in the Covenants does it say I cannot? We replied the docs say as per community standards and 112 identical fences certainly sets the community standard thus your request is contrary to community standards. They stopped requesting.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Thanks. The more I look into things the more I see a consistent message that the developer can do as they please while we are in this phase. It isn't a great answer in our particular circumstance, but it certainly simplifies my job -- I can try to persuade the developer to do things in a manner I believe is correct, and leave it at that.

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