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SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Hi All,

I am back. Last year I had an issue and this community was a great support so I would like to post an issue here. BTW the HOA took responsibility and paid since it was the error of the 3rd party contractor.

About 4 days ago I noticed a smell coming from my front hallway bathroom. The bathroom is clean and has no visible water leaks from the sink, toilet or shower. The toilet is a Sterling and was the original and sometimes get backed up but a plunger or dawn will do the trick. Lately I noticed a really foul smell it is not sulfur and does not smell like #1 or #2. I can smell it on the opposite wall a little as well. It is only on one section of the house. A plumber came out today and could not visually see anything and suggested a new ring for toilet which I decided will go ahead and put in a new toilet. He also asked me if the neighbor has signs of water damage. I followed up with her and she went to check and she saw a small area in her garage its not circular at all. And it really not underneath my bathroom area. Well when I went to go check it out her garage smelled so horrible. It was her compost bin. Stored in the garage 7 days (till next trash pick up). The smell of it was very similar to what was happening in the bathroom. I nicely mentioned to her the smell was similar. Since she has taken it out now the smell is a lot fainter in the bathroom. So here are my questions.

1. Does anyone have experience with smells coming through the wall like this? Do you think its possible that the smell is from garage. The plumber I follow up with him and said yes since houses are not air tight.
2. Has anyone had a ring problem for the toilet that was causing a smell? Or even making a wall smell..
3. If its her garage and my pipe, I assume I am responsible? Unless there is a common pipe?

Any thoughts would be very much appreciated.

Thank you!

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Smells like this don't come up unless there is dampness. Here is an odd suggestion. Get some of that color changing wall joint compound. It dries from pink to white. Put it in a suspected area and a small amount. Size can scrape off. Watch to see if it changes colors over time. I have a spot that fixed on some dry wall. It still shows pink occasssionally when wet.

Also may want to find out about how the building is insulated. Seems the smells are coming through because of some gaps. I would suggest getting some of the canned expanding foam and put around pipe openings in the walls. It may help reduce the air leaks.

Former HOA President
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks I will try what you suggested. The smell is considerably less now that her compost bin is outside. I am not saying that was the cause but just notice the smell is less. A little more history to this bathroom. The toilet and sink was always used since I bought the house in 2015. The shower was NOT. Now my teen son is using this bathroom exclusively. So the shower is being used essentially daily. But as noted in previous note for me there are no signs of water leakage anywhere. Do you mean to say put that compound around shower head the toilet pipe and sink pipe? Also do you think its plausible that this compost smell is comping up into my bathroom? This bathroom is right above her garage. Thanks!
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Do your CC&Rs have any restrictions on storing items on the property, particularly hazardous items? Or on nuisance activities? Compost can get really nasty unless it's attended to properly, and I don't think keeping it in a garage is considered "properly".

I assume you're in condos or other attached homes since the smell from a neighbor's unit is coming into your home. There are likely to be more restrictions than you'd find in a detached-home community, for just the reason you describe.

I'd ask the board (or property manager if you have one) and see what they say.

(Yes, I've experienced smells coming from other units - for instance cigarette smoke and perfume. They're a nuisance. I'm currently house hunting for a detached home since I have a nose like a blood hound and a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to second hand smoke.)
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is very easy for the smells to come up from their garage. Considering how construction is in buildings. You most likely share a common pipe in the walls. Which is why recommended using spray foam around any vent pipes in your bathrooms/kitchen/toilet areas.

Smells can travel between the walls. Not much can be done except for them to remove their bin. It also can mean carbon monoxide could be getting in. So make sure to get a carbon monoxide tester. This is why they say must have garage door open when you start your car. That gas can come into the home in various ways. Bedrooms above garages are really susceptible to carbon gasses.

Former HOA President
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Hi, I will get ahold of the CC&Rs and review. I reside in a condo, it has no neighbor on one side, this is the side of that garage and the issue. The neighbor whose garage smells is one of the board members. This morning with the door closed the smell is slightly less but still there our garages our large over 30 feet long? And remains closed so I don't think the smell would dissipate same day she leaves the compost bin outside. I am also worried about the stain on her ceiling. Visually where the stain is my bathroom is not there. It is not a large stain and is not round. I have no leaks in bathroom or washer. I took the shower head hose thing off and smelled that and it smells fine. The toilet is the original (Sterling) and always has a problem with getting clogged. I really hope its just her garage or a toilet wax ring because I am currently not working. I am a single mama struggling as it is and don't have the money to tear walls apart.
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks I will look into spray foam. I am having this toilet changed because its a Sterling and gets clogged a lot. I will have the guy use spray foam.

What concerns me is while it is her garage my living space is on top. Her property is situated front if that makes sense. So one bedroom and one bathroom sit on top of her garage. On top of my garage is the master bathroom and bedroom and probably part of kitchen. I have less sq feet. My living space is upstairs and garage is down. I can't see the pipe being common since her bathroom, washer kitchen is situated front and no where near mine.

I really do hope this is just from her garage or a wax ring that needs to be replaced.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm in a condo building too. Our CC&Rs say that bad odors from other's units, etc., must not occur. So do check your CC&Rs to see if "Noxious odors may not affect other units," or words to that effect. Such may also be in your rules and regs. So, follow Cathy's advice.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I'm still trying to consider the sort of action I would take if someone put a composting container in their garage - under my living space.

Am I missing something in this discussion - composting in the garage under someone's home?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 09/20/2020 11:51 AM
I'm still trying to consider the sort of action I would take if someone put a composting container in their garage - under my living space.

Am I missing something in this discussion - composting in the garage under someone's home?

I think that's pretty ridiculous because compost smells bad, even if it's being done right. That has to be a nuisance violation, and may attract varmints.

The mind boggles.
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
How do you tell someone not to compost or throw away their stuff out appropriately...Maybe using a liner is a good idea. I admit this morning I had a peak in there it wasn't as full as I thought but it is very dirty from all the other times it has been used. There were tons of flys swarming in it. Outside standing near it you get a whiff. It smells like cabbage. When the plumber came he said it smelled like brussel sprouts in the house. I would be so embarrassed to keep a garage like this. I clean mine out frequently, don't compost and sometimes when I go to my mom's I throw trash there so the garage won't smell. Mine never does.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
You really need to bring this to the board's attention. Could even be a health hazard, what with flies all over. (Would the local board of health have anything to say?) Whatever, the board needs to know about it and take whatever actions your CC&Rs allow.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I'm gonna jump ahead ... this is a health hazard.

You need to immediately contact your city or county health organization and have the place inspected.

This is dangerous.
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Cathy and George she holds a very top position for the city in which I live in. She slams her side door from garage nightly after 10pm. I did not want to say anything to her although we are friendly because of her position on the board and being my neighbor and not wanting any tension. I created a fake email/name mailed the hoa and said a neighbor ACROSS from me was slamming the door after 10pm. Long story short they said they would contact her never did. Two weeks later I emailed again they said they sent a notice but about 6 months later it still continues.
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The end of this week I will have my gen contractor put in a new toilet and see if he sees anything leaking and will have him check the fittings for the washer. To rule out any leaks on my end. Regardless this smell is nauseating and I don't even want to eat. I have been so unsettled these past few days.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Enough, then.

Stop talking about it and call the health inspection services.

This is not an HOA issue.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
IF bad odors aren't permitted in your HOA, Sarita, It IS an HOA issue. You say this woman's powerful in the city and then later you seem to say she's also on your board of directors of your HOA? Is that right?

Most HOA boards won't pay attention to anonymous complaints, so you're going to have to identify yourself to your board of directors. And, I assume, also to your city health dept.

It might help to get a signded note from your contractor on his company's letterhead that the smell is not coming form any of your fixtures or property.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
And, continuing to lean into this one because I can imagine the OP’s angst, this is IMO, a health issue and needs to be treated as such.

The OP should not be afraid to address this directly with the owner of the garage ... “You simply cannot continue to compost material in the garage - it makes me nauseous and I am afraid it it is detrimental to my health. If you don’t remove it soonest, I will contact the health department for their assessment.”

SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
KerryL1 correct she sits on the board and she is also the city Manager.

I have seen that they didn't pay attn to the anon complaint. Another component I felt and thought it was of who she was and that she was on the board...

I will follow up with the City Health Dept tomorrow. I will also follow up with my gen contractor and tell him about what happened with her garage. When he comes to put in a toilet, will have him check washer pipes and also note down his findings in writing.

Thank you!
SaritaS (California)
Posts: 28
Posted:
GeorgeS21 I appreciate your comments and I am glad I posted here in this forum. I did not know composting can possibly lead to health consequences. The smell started about 4 days ago and it was in the same week where I also started getting headaches, which I usually don't. As mentioned before I will follow up with the health dept. BTW I went downstairs outside and took a pic of the inside contents, and took a picture of the dog feces in the back patio exposed. Just for record keeping and documentation. Thanks again for your comments this has been frustrating. Because I feel like it could be a plumbing issue (toilet ring) or the smell seeping in from her garage. Regardless her composting is creating an issue.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Not to bring Coronavirus into this but... Have you been tested? The reason I ask is that some people whom catch the virus not only get headaches but smell strong smells. I know that some lose their sense of smell but others report smelling things like tobacco or burnt toast. I kept smelling Nestle Strawberry milk.

Asymptomatic doesn't mean no symptoms. They just don't fit into the "box" of the most popular symptoms.

Recently kept smelling a bad smell in my house. Couldn't figure out why. Turns out my male cat was peeing on a chair and not using it's litter box. Also had a neighbor that was Indian. They cooked alot with Curry. Stunk up the whole apartment complex! Funny part is a new neighbor moved in. Heard fire trucks. Looked down to find a bunch of fireman coming out. Turns out the smell was so bad they had lit a candle. Guess it made it worse and firemen were called to treat them.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Melissa, are you sure?

My reading points to the LOSS of smell and taste due to C19 infection.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There are some people who are part of a group of "Long haulers" that report odd smells after getting it. The smell or even tastes vary. Some reporting tobacco type smells. Others report taste is off. Things tasting metallic or off.

There isn't enough things being reported in the media or even knowledge of the virus out there. There is a lot of hair loss and GI issues. My symptoms varied everywhere. It took me some time to figure out that had it because of the odd symptoms didn't know about.

Former HOA President

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