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Homeowner adjacent to access easement claims HOA is responsible for her drainage problems

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JeffS31 (Virginia)
Posts: 40
Posted:
We have an access easement that runs between two streets of our HOA to allow people to walk between two areas. The easement is at the edge of the Atkins (fake name) property. The Bakers (also fake) are the adjacent homeowners.

The path is on a hill and water collects on it in the rain. We are looking at how to address that.

Mrs. Baker also has a water problem on her property, also due to the fact that the surrounding grading is downhill into her property. She is claiming that it is the HOA's responsibility to correct the water drainage onto her property since the water crosses over the easement to reach her property, and we are responsible for maintaining the easement. Our position is that the water does not originate on the easement so we have no responsibility for her property. Our only responsibility is to keep the path passable, which might be done without solving the larger drainage problem.

Do you have an opinion on who is correct here?

The problem was most likely created by the builder in the way they graded the area back in 1995. We cannot compel adjacent homeowners on the uphill side to do anything on their property to redirect drainage; they are compliant with county code. We are looking at a catch-box on the path to drain off water that collects there, and have had five proposals to it different ways, but the adjacent homeowners seem to find problems in any of these solutions yet do not offer their own alternatives. A frustrating situation that has gone on for a couple of years.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I don't know if we have any experts in this area on the website, so your best bet is to hire one to see if the catch box might work. Until then, I'm inclined to agree with the HOA, as it appears this isn't the only homeowner who lives near this area and the area is compliant with the county. Having said that, county codes can and do change, usually because other problems came along that people didn't anticipate.

It might be interesting to talk to the county about this to see if there's a workaround and perhaps the affected homeowners and the board could split the costs of fixing it. Until then, let this owner file a claim with his/her insurance company and they can duke it out with the association's master policy.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Complex water issues are complex - even simple water issues are anger inducing on those that get the water.

However, one owner's property has always been lower than the other. Unless the HOA itself modified the lay of the land at some point, the downhill owner needs to act to address the water issue.

Without a plat and topography, not sure we can tell - however, again, perhaps a swale would port the water a bit differently? But, when the HOA does this, it then becomes a part of any future issue - as well as defect accepting responsibility for the current situation.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Without seeing it, I suspect that the area between two properties was also a swall (small ditch) to control storm water.
If the Association did anything with that area, I expect that they would be responsible.

If either owner did something with that area, I expect that they would be responsible.

Most common issues are swalls are filled in, either because owners want a level lawn or from sediment build up.

JeffS31 (Virginia)
Posts: 40
Posted:
The HOA has not changed anything. The ironic thing is if this easement had never been designated in the first place, the situation would be no different for Mrs. Baker and the HOA would be clearly off the hook. The easement was added by the builder in response to homeowner input that homeowners on one side had no practical way to reach a large common area on the other side by foot, and they complained about paying maintenance on a common area they could not reasonably access. There is no improvement on the easement; the only change was to designate it as a public access easement with the county.

I've attached an image of what the layout looks like. The red arrows point downhill to show the area of the grade. I do not have any photos handy.

Mrs. Baker is saying that the HOA should arrest the flow of water across the middle leg of the path, thereby preventing water flow onto her property.
JeffS31 (Virginia)
Posts: 40
Posted:
Evidently either the attachment feature doesn't work or I just don't know how to use it.

Here is a link to the image: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnado4dep0w8f1f/schematic.JPG?dl=0
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
I would get some professional, engineering input on the situation before HOA intentionally or unintentionally takes responsibility for doing anything in regard to this area of land. It's hard to picture the situation and I can't access the image to better understand. Unfortunately I think professional input should have been obtained initially when the issue was first mentioned by the impacted homeowner and not after 2+ years of discussion, debate, and consideration of HOA-funded solutions to the problem.

My unprofessional opinion . . . If the easement is only an access/pedestrian easement, then I would think that the landowner (who I gather is not the HOA) is the one ultimately responsible for maintenance of the land upon which the easement exists. Further, I would think that purchase of the property initially equates to acceptance of conditions as they existed at the time of purchase (otherwise changes should have been demanded at that time). Back in 1995, whoever owned the land had opportunity to fight establishment of the easement as well as the grading and other conditions that existed at that time.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
This is why you need to go ahead and talk to an expert about this. You can give Mrs baker the history of the easement and suggest SHE consult her own experts to come with a solution AND prove this is association responsibility if she wants the HOA to pay for it all. She probably won't be happy regardless of you say, but you don't always get what you want.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I would want one he!! of a lot more proof then what one person things as per is easement causing the flooding. My initial blush is she is looking for someone else to assume responsibility.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Drainage issues have mostly been handled by our HOA. Most of the time we used French drains and in one occasion we used a dry creek bed design. Our association brought in a landscape vendor to complete the task.

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