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AnnJ1 (Florida)
Posts: 122
Posted:
My condo association (Florida) has a dilemma and I do so hope someone can help me interpret the following ...

The Declarations read " No Waiver of Rights - The failure of the Association or any unit owner to enforce any covenant, restriction or other provision of the Act, this Declaration, The Articles of Incorporation the by-laws or rules or regulations adopted pursuant to said documents, as the same may be amended from time to time, shall not constitute a waiver of their right to do so thereafter."

I'd be happy to explain the situation and am asking for a cold look at the terminology above.

I've learned so very much here and I value your opinions. Thanks....
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
This is standard language. Basically it means that even if a board (or owners) don't enforce a provision of the documents for a period of time, it doesn't mean it can't be enforced now or in the future. Example, prior boards don't enforce parking provisions of the documents. A new board comes in and decides to enforce them. Owners in violation cannot use the "it wasn't enforced before" argument with this provision in the bylaws.

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AnnJ1 (Florida)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Thanks sooo much, Joe. From reading on this forum about "later enforcement" I went looking in our Docs and when my non-legal (hehehe) eyes saw this... I felt it was the clause I was looking for.

We had our takeover from the builder a year ago August. The BOD spent a few months developing guidelines and all the other "stuff" that a new association needs to do. A condo owner was in violation of one of our ARC rules. This went before an arbritrator today (after the usual due process). We were given 20 days to show "proof" etc. Long story short - Our atty said the unit owner is using the "one-year use and enjoyment" provision/law? prior to arbitration will satisfy his defense.

Because I had read here about new boards enforcing rules prior boards had neglected to act upon, I thought the portion I had excerpted might fit the bill.

The unit owner in violation, is a past board member of another homeowner association and has caused a lot of grief.

Again, thanks....
Ann
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AnnJ1 on 10/10/2007 4:43 PM
Thanks sooo much, Joe. From reading on this forum about "later enforcement" I went looking in our Docs and when my non-legal (hehehe) eyes saw this... I felt it was the clause I was looking for.

We had our takeover from the builder a year ago August. The BOD spent a few months developing guidelines and all the other "stuff" that a new association needs to do. A condo owner was in violation of one of our ARC rules. This went before an arbritrator today (after the usual due process). We were given 20 days to show "proof" etc. Long story short - Our atty said the unit owner is using the "one-year use and enjoyment" provision/law? prior to arbitration will satisfy his defense.

Because I had read here about new boards enforcing rules prior boards had neglected to act upon, I thought the portion I had excerpted might fit the bill.

The unit owner in violation, is a past board member of another homeowner association and has caused a lot of grief.

Again, thanks....
Ann

Ann,

You say this person has caused grief, if he used this "law" he may be a person to reckon with, because it is very obscure defense to use. A good one though, if he could get away with it.

If the ARC provisions were in place when the homeowner received his deed, the U&E law is not considered. U&E will be used when the property changes do not interfere with adjoining or abutting neighbors property. Any changes to the property without consent, violate the rules of the HOA which dictates the specifics of the way the property is to be used. Your documents say no waiver of rights. They cannot use the U&E law.

Shame on your attorney for giving the homeowner credit for using this law which is really not even a law, it is an opinion that is used widely for cases that involve air space and views. Example: a high rise condo will be built blocking Mr. Jones' view of the ocean from the living room of his single story home.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Nancy,
Is it redundant to add that it does have to be a new board, it could be the same old board that has a change of heart, or conditions may change to require, say by law, a stronger wording of the covenant. Of course the inverse is true also. Once you enforce a coveant and for some reason decide you are going to enforce it, you still have thje power of enforcememt
AnnJ1 (Florida)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Thanks, Nancy. I have a problem with our attorney inamuch as I believe he should have realized that we might have had such "standard" language in our docs and had his staff check it out. He's kinda dumping the problem onto us. The ARC guidelines were not in effect when we were deeded but they were developed shortly after the takeover.

Thanks for the looksee... ;)
RobertZ1 (Michigan)
Posts: 66
Posted:

The Declarations read " No Waiver of Rights - The failure of the Association or any unit owner to enforce any covenant, restriction or other provision of the Act, this Declaration, The Articles of Incorporation the by-laws or rules or regulations adopted pursuant to said documents, as the same may be amended from time to time, shall not constitute a waiver of their right to do so thereafter."

The amount of times that I heard, as a current board mrember, from a former board member a nonsensical statement about rules, "we never did it like that when I was on the board," or the familiar,"thats not what the intent of those rules were!"

Many an HOA member, has had to conform to a rule, that they did not know was part of their obligations as a member, let alone understand how it originated or why it applied to them..

You grow, with your time in an HOA and start to understand some of your rules and regulations. Yet, some HOA members feel ignorance of rules is bliss, when it becomes a rule that applies to themselves or thier friends. You find yourself undrstanding why the clause above is in your documents.

These same HOA members feel the Charter/By-laws must be followed to the letter by other HOA members they want to torture with regulations. In some cases these "TYRRANTS" use thier imagination, and create a set of rule(s) when it is something "THEY" find offensive or in need of a rule in their minds!

The usual reasons like,"well that should be a rule, if it's not!" Creating decension among their followers by these few, is what seems to happen, along with a general apathy to follow any rules. The guiding force of these few is to NOT follow rules, because "they" don't like them.

Too Bad for all, because now we all pay the price. Understanding that just trying to do the right thing, not because its a rule but because it is considerate and thoughtful.

Which most times is what your rules and regulations are all about.

DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
If an HOA, like ours, does NOT have this clause in their documents, can our BOD amend our documents to put this verbage in? And, if so, will it have the same effect as to allow the current BOD to enforce things that were not enforced in the past, but should have been?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
DanaA,
Your HOA can change just about anything in your documents that is not stated they can't be changed. Will it get you in trouble to do this? Absolutely. As to your question, it is highly unlikely this topic is not covered some where, make sure you look good and research it good. But you can add this clause, make sure it is worded to fit you association. If there were things allowed in the past by old boards, when you are adding the above clause, add a clause that the specific items will be enforced from the date of the addition of the clause. If the folks breaking the covenants complain, that they should be grandfathered, that may have to be addressed, but, end all, if you change your documents according to your documents and specify that none will be given any special consideration, then you are right and if they think they are let them get s lawyer and prove it. This is such common language in Association document that I can't see how a judge would not consider that.

Have you checked your State Laws and Corporation papers?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
RobertZ,
I think you have a lot of the faults living in HOA's and Condos down pat. Not much I can argue with. Now, how about analyzing all these troublesome items and post how we all can solve these problems and leave all happy as pigs in mud.

It is no small job to figure out what happens to each association, but all in all, they seem to be the same problems, faced by new people who wake up one day and yell, "Just what the hell is going on around here, this places smells like a fish market and damned if I can figure out who is leading and who is following. I feel like I am in the land of Oz!"
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Robert, if you sift through these posts, you will find that there are individuals who are sincerely interested in assisting those new to the HOA BOD "scene". This is a fabulous forum full of wisdom. In turn, when I have knowledge and experience behind me, I will share so that others do not muddle around aimlessly. Though the issues may have the same underlying theme, perhaps, there are little nuances that make each one unique. This is not a multiple choice test.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
DanaA,
I believe you are preaching to the choir Dana.
Another thing most of us find out is no matter how many times we have discussed the same problem it is rare for us not to find new knowledge in each post. What in the world ever gave you the idea that I needed to sift through past posting to discover the folks posting advice (more trying to answer questions)here are, sincerely interested in assisting hew members.

You will find that it is perfectly ok to post wrong impressions here if you can accept the comments that may prove you wrong. What is self leveling on this site is if you do not demonstrate that your agenda is to help someone, you won't last very long. In others words, it's ok to be full of crap as long as you can stand finding it out, and are willing to move on. I do this little exercise about once a week.

The above is not a reflection on any of your postings, just an attempt to air my observations.
RobertZ1 (Michigan)
Posts: 66
Posted:
Robert R,

Discussion is good, and some of us also need guidance and counsel, this site is just that! Guidance to a concerned HOA member, by others outside of their own enviroment and counsel to circumstances or issues by those able to give advice because of their more expert background or because they have faced a similar situation. This leads to discussions by all that care.

Helping one another, or seeking help from another, should never be frowned upon by any of those that come to, or have come to this site. Expanding my personal understanding of my HOA is good for ALL members that I serve.

I guess I have not read ALL that is here, and know ALL that I can, to advise every question or inquiry but I am learning every day as I visit this site. Thank you for your ability to criticize

Being jaded by familiar topics over and over again, is not mine or those that I have told about this very helpful sites problems. Good luck to you for having all the answers, you must be bored.

To conclude, AnnJ1 is being helped here, and NancyD1 tried to help, I commented because I read our HOA situation in her dilemna. Joe West's answer was from an expert. So RobertR1, are you a leader with good advice? or runnung around wondering what smells and who's leading your HOA?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
RobertZ,
You have a personal issue with me? I hope not because I'm just glad to have another Robert around. I honestly believe you are misreading my posts and will at this time assure you there is nothing mundane or boring about any of these posts. If I come across this way. I will try and be more considerate of what I write. I imagine you would want to do the same.
In any event, if you feel you can't reconsider your remarks, there are no hard feelings on my part. As you do, I have no obligation to read or comment on anything I don't want to.
This site is a conversation tool, not a test of what your opinion is about me or any one else. Many are smarter than I about all this business, and I have never heard any of them question my motives or sincereity. Anything I post is My Humble Opinion, and I say that humbly.
I do not want anyone to take my advise without insuring it is correct.
I hope you will not let whatever seems to be troubling you effect the rest of the site.

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