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DirkH1 (Indiana)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I am on the HOA board of our 50 lot subdivision and the board seems to get a lot of petty complaints where the person complaining (based on their complaints) likely isn't even looking at what the CCR's say. For example, we had someone complain to the board about people leaving their plastic garbage bins along the side of their garage, and while this might be a little unsightly, it's not against any of the CCR's.

My question is if anyone here has defined a process for how to bring a complaint to the HOA board? My thought is that we would define this in the bylaws and have a process that starts with the person doing the complaining required to politely try to address the issue with the potential offender before they bring it to the board. Then, before they bring the complaint to the board, they have to formally submit the complaint in writing and cite which CCR's is being violated and provide evidence. I'm not sure if there is a law stating that the board needs to keep these complainers identity confidential, but I think the board should be able to share with the possible offender who is complaining.

my thought is that people like to hide behind the board, and if they've got some 'skin in the game' then they might be less likely to complain, particularly when it's something petty and not a CCR violation. Furthermore, I would like to log all complaints in some type of document that is visible to everyone in the HOA so if there is one resident that constantly complains about things, everyone is aware of it.

is this doable? does anyone have any experience with doing something like this? This might be out of bounds, but I thought I would start here as I've received some very good info from people on this forum. thanks in advance for your help.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
We have an Action Form that homeowners need to fill out. It asks for routine stuff like name, address, and contact information. It also asks for a description of their issue. If it is a complaint, we ask them to include supporting documentation such as a photo and if they would be willing to testify in court.

(This last question tends to weed out the folks who are trying to use the board to harass a neighbor that they don't like. There is no witness protection program in HOA stuff unless your governing docs/state laws require it. And how on earth would you deal with a complaint that ends up in court without witnesses? In court that would be thrown out as hearsay. **The board should never act on a complaint without supporting evidence, or they are wasting their time.**)

Our board has a standard procedure for responding to complaints:

* if it's not in writing, we ignore it.

* If it's anonymous, we ignore it.

* If there is no corroboration, the board will investigate to the extent we can. If we can't verify the complaint, we wait until we receive a second complaint from a different owner or other supporting evidence.

* Those who are the subject of a complaint get a warning letter informing them of the nature of the violation. If the problem behavior isn't resolved, a second letter is sent which warns them that they will be fined if they don't stop. If the third letter is needed, the fines begin.

* Ohio, fortunately, treats fines as assessments, meaning we can foreclose for unpaid fines. Other states don't allow that, so fining in those states doesn't really do much good if someone is determined to violate the CC&Rs. We've never had to foreclose, but we do lien and send delinquent accounts to collection.

In general, I recommend having a well thought out process for dealing with violations, including a fining schedule if your governing docs allow this, and *publicize it*.

Due process is important to successful enforcement of your CC&Rs. Document everything, don't take any short cuts, and avoid selective enforcement.

It also is very helpful to have a well thought out process for dealing with chronic complainers. These folks will waste a board's time, and they're looking for drama. Don't give it to them. Your communication with them should be in writing, brief, factual, and leave no opportunity for back and forth arguing. Skillful communication with chronic complainers will eventually reduce the numbers of unnecessary complaints, but you may need to keep up with it for a year or two until they realize that the board won't play their games.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I have heard some say if the complaint is not in writing, they ignore it. I disagree with this. When we receive a complaint, no matter how received, the BOD will evaluate it even have one of us look. Even if the complaint was anonymous, the infraction does or does not exist. If the complaint is valid we notify our MC to send a Violation Notice asking that the compliant be rectified. If the complaint was in writing, the BOD will respond to the complainer even if it is to tell them the complaint is not valid. Our owners never know who made the complaint.

The OP said they wanted to establish a process where the complainer talks to the offender first. Good luck with that and it could also be dangerous and end up with a hostile confrontation.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 08/12/2020 8:39 AM
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The OP said they wanted to establish a process where the complainer talks to the offender first. Good luck with that and it could also be dangerous and end up with a hostile confrontation.

That reminds me of something I forgot to include: our attorney said that the board should stay out of neighbor-to-neighbor disputes (ie., things that don't involve violations of the CC&Rs). For instance, in my condo community people like to complain about neighbors walking dogs on "their front lawn", which of course isn't theirs because it's all common elements. The board has been clear that as long as the dog walkers pick up any solid waste, they're within their rights - but the griping continues. We ignore it.

But our attorney's point is that the board is not a police force or referee, and should not act as if it were.

John's comment about a possible hostile confrontation is well taken, though.

If anybody gets the idea that this stuff isn't black and white, they're right.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It depends on the type of complaint. When I was on the board, our general approach was not to accept any anonymous complaints. You need a paper trail in case you have to contact the person with more information (you'd be surprised how vague some complaints can be - sometimes people don't even write the date/time they saw whatever).

If the complaint smacks of criminal activity, homeowners were to call the non-emergency number of the police department (or they can stop by the district office, which is about 3 miles south of the community) OR contact our security officers (also off duty cops). Sometimes, the security officer can talk to someone if he/she is the type who'll flip out when someone tries to point out he/she is violating a community rule (our security officer is pretty good at de-escalating these folks).

We would only gets involved when the complaint concerns misuse or abuse of the common area and/or several people have complained about the same issue. Otherwise, it's a dispute between neighbors and both sides need to be mature enough to talk it out without screaming and coming to some sort of resolution. That's where you start - put something in your newsletter or website (preferably both), explaining what the board can and can't do, and why.

A few problems may be referred to the city or county. For example, your CCRs might not mention plastic bags alongside garbage bags, but you and I both know this is not tacky, but might not be tied up securely and then blow all over the neighborhood and attracts vermin like rats. That may be something you can call the city's sanitation department about, but if not, I'm sure your CCRs say something about keeping the homes and yards well kept.

Controlling one's trash is part of that, so put a reminder about cleanliness in the community newsletter and website. You could also add that continued complaints against homeowners may result in them being billed for cleanup. Put a link to those departments on your community website so homeowners can see what's required.

You're correct that people often want the board to do their dirty work, which is why you need to set boundaries. If people are worried about "snitching" over the garbage bags, for example, and provide detailed information, you could have someone from the property management company swing by to see what's going on. If there is an issue. have him/her take a photo or two (time and date stamped, and send a copy to the homeowner with a friendly reminder letter. You don't have to say who notified you - because the board did an investigation and found out the complaint is valid, the association then becomes the complainant, and because you have a paper trail going, you'll be in a good position to take further action if it becomes necessary.

Some communities hire their property managers to do weekly or monthly drive-throughs for this reason - depending on your contract, that could be an extra charge, so you'll need to decide if that's worth paying and adjust the assessments accordingly. If the homeowners squawk, they'll have to come up with a better idea or learn to take care of their own drama.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DirkH1 (Indiana)
Posts: 7
Posted:
thanks everyone for your input! I think I will take these suggestions to our board and look to implement this complaint process. Is this something that needs to be spelled out in the bylaws? or is just communicating this new process to the homeowners good enough? I feel like this process should be in the bylaws (or some other HOA formal document) because it's my understanding that bylaws are much easier to change and can be done in our HOA with a board majority vote.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We have a form and procedures very similar to Cathy's (we're a condo high rise).

I don't agree for identifying the complainer. If it's in writing and the Board or PM corroborates the violation, there is no need to involve the original complainer because now it is the Association that sends the violation letter. To "out" the complainers leads to no one wanting to file a report.

We do not accept anonymous complaints and our PM (e.g., sends out a courtesy letter) takes no action whatsoever without corroboration.

If a resident complains about something that i not a violation of our covenants or rules & regs, we et them know and encourage them to place the issue on a board meeting agenda is they feel such anactivity should be prohibited.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You'll have to read your bylaw first - in fact, this is where you start of you're interested in establishing or changing rules. Most bylaws give the board the authority to enact additional rules as long as they don't supersede the documents.

In this case, your CCRs may say something general like all homeowners have to keep their property clean and well maintained. Your board might then establish policies and procedures that call for weekly drive throughs to check for CCR violations and reinspect homes that have received a notice and you want to check if the matter's been addressed.

You don't need a specific CCR for that, but you should vote on a board resolution that would establish the policy with an effective date. It could be immediately or you can issue a start date, perhaps 30 days from the date the resolution is passed. That gives you time to notify homeowners and they have time to straighten up and behave. Eventually you may want to tweak parts of the policy, which can be done at a board meeting and updated in your newsletter, website or resident handbook.

I may have said this already, but several of your quest indicate you're a new HOA and could benefit from some sort of training on HOA best practices. In addition to this sits, try the community association institute website, which has a number of books and brochures on best practices for board members. One addresses rule enforcement and you can get lots of ideas. There may even be a local chapter in your area that sponsors seminars. You could meet people from other communities who can give you additional insights.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kirk

In order to get into the Bylaws owners would have to vote it in. Also to change it, owners would have to vote. No need for all that. It does not have to be in the Bylaws. Time for the BOD to put on their big boy pants and have BOD Prepare A Complaint Procedure and keep it a BOD Rules & Regulation. Well within the power of the BOD to do so.
JohnC77 (California)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Dirk

If you have a property manager, they should be handle to lend a hand.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Agree with JohnC. No need to be on the Bylaws. Dirk, rad your Bylaws and you'll see it doesn't really "fit" there.

Jeez, JohnC77, WA, coulda picked a less common name this time, at least his 3rd name.

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