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DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I am new at this. Our developer, in Maryland, called no meeting, just sent a letter to all lot owners telling us he was turning our HOA over to us. We never paid dues. He named me and two other lot owners as the BOD. Majority of the homeowners do not want an active HOA so we have done nothing with the HOA. My concern is we do have over 21 acres of Common Open Space deeded to our HOA which is forest retention area. We have no trails no nothing in this area. However, Children have been known to play and ride ATVs in the common open space.
I called my homeowner insurance and a brokerage firm asking them if they could sell me an umbrella policy to cover my portion of the common open space. They said, no; only policy they could issue would be to BOD for the HOA. Passed this info on to all lot owners, and the majority still say no HOA and who cares about a liability policy.
One lot owner has blocked one easement to one portion of our common open space with a fence; making the easement part of his property.

My questions are:
How important is it we have a liability policy? Some believe the posting of Non-Trespassing signs is all the protection we will ever need what do you think? Do you have any advice or words of wisdom for the lot owners who would like a liability policy, any ideas on how they can protect themselves? Need we be concerned with the fence blocking our easement or liability for the easement now that it is part of the lot owners yard. Should I write to the developer and have my name removed from the start up BOD.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
How many owners are there in your association? You may be able to able to endorse your homeowner's policy to cover some of your risk or exposure as a Board Member when it comes to E&O coverage, but probably not general liability for the association. IMO, I think that you're running an unneccesary risk by not having General Liability coverage for the association. Have you asked a commercial agent or someone that specializes in this type of risk? I can't imagine that the premiums on something like this would be that substantial. Have you inquired about this and priced the risk? While placing no tresspassing signs on the property might help mitigate your liability exposure, it won't keep someone from suing you for any reason!

Also work out something with the homeowner that has blocked the common area. I can't visualize how he's making the easement part of his property, but this is not something that you want to walk away from and then try to address it several years later.

Certainly, you have HOA docs - How do they read? Most HOA documents specifically say that the HOA MUST carry liability insurance.

Good luck.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Meant to say D&O coverage and not E&O coverage....
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Hi Mike, Thank you for your response. We have 40 homes in our development. Problem is most everyone was told by the builders agent, at the model house, there was no HOA here. So after moving in we found we had an HOA for the common open space. The stormwater management could be put in our HOA if 100 % of the owners signed a statement saying they wanted that to happen. As it is now we only have the 21 Acres of commmon open space which is deeded to the HOA to worry about. We do have Covenants and Restrictions. These are no more than what the county would enforce except for the part about common open space not being utilized by a property owner for private use. The COS is for the enjoyment of all. Nothing like most places have. However, no one is enforcing them because we have no active HOA. Tried to have a meeting to discuss our issues like liability insurance which will cost us $300.00 per year or $7.50 a year per lot. Meeting ended up with two people convincing most everyone it is best to forget the insurance so we do not have to have an HOA. They said the No-Trespassing signs were all that will ever be needed. So most everyone sided with this and only a few are now concerned as to what could happen if someone is hurt on the Common Open Space. One lot owner said having an HOA to obtain insurance is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I'll try to explain the fence. We live in a development that consists of two cuddle sacks. You enter the development on the access road then turn left for the North side and right for the South side. Each end of the development (north and south) have common open space. The south end has 6 acres that is behind the two houses at the horse shoe bend of the the cuddle sack. The easement is about one acre long starts at the street going between the two houses back to the 6 acres of common open space that runs a long the back of the development. This is the only easement to access this 6 acres from inside the development. Otherwise you must go out of the development and down about 1/2 mile to another road then gain access to the 6 acres from the back. The two lot owners that have fenced in the easement know what they have done but are very vociferous about keeping people from the easement, for what ever reasons no one else in the development seems to care. I know this is not right. I am concerned about liability for something I have no access to. I would like access to walk along the wood line especially in the fall but, I would have to jump a fence and face the dogs. If we have no active HOA and no one else cares whats to do??
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Mike, nothing in HOA docs about having to have liability insurance.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
$7.50 per household? That's peace of mind for a cheap price... I would think. It sounds like you need to talk to a PM or attorney in Md. I would think that if someone did in fact file suit against the HOA, that you would all might be liable and might be subject to a special assessment. I take it that the streets are state or county maintained and not maintained by the HOA? Is that the case? Is this HOA voluntary or mandatory?
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Dilly, head down to the local courthouse and do a search for records on your HOA. See if it was every properly documented/filed with your local jurisdiction. You can probably use some variation of your community's name as a starting point to reference land records. Not to "scare" you but I would be very concerned about having my name as a named board-member of an HOA that may or may not be in existence and also that is without insurance (general liability, and also more importantly to you personally, D&O as MikeS mentioned). Find out who (entity) that the land/space in question is actually deeded to; and if there are any county/local municipality requirements/restrictions which follow.

There is another poster on here, think her name is Tracy who is from Maryland, and she may have more "on the ground" information for you.
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Yes, I agree that $7.50 per year is cheap, very cheap! However, it requires having an active HOA. Yes, We have a mandatory HOA , state law says any development with 12 or more houses will have an HOA. We are incorporated. Streets are maintained by the county. Even if we could dissolve the corporation we would still be stuck with the common open space deeded to the HOA. Two people are telling everyone that we just let ithe HOA die out and in 8-10 years the state will drop us from the corporate docs. I believe if we do that we could be resurrected by a court and have to pay all back dues and the law suit too, if an accident ever did happen on the Common open space. A lawyer told me this was so but no one believes that. So... any ideas on how a few can protect ourselves from a law suit in case of an accident on the Common Open Space??
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Jadedone, Went to the court house three years ago. I have all documents and plats. We are a corporation, in good standing with the State of MD. Everything is in palce for our HOA except developer never required any dues while he was in charge. The common open space is deeded to our HOA, that is the problem. Even if we could dissolve the corporation which I doubt we can given MD Senate Bill 287 effective 1 Oct 07. At the end of the day we still have the common open space. We can only give the COS to a public or utility agency and so far none want it from us. Then again, am not sure it would be a good idea to give it away even if we could.

Yes, I agree and I am concerned about my name being on the BOD and wonder if I should write the developer a letter and ask to be removed. No one on this start up board was elected we were appointed by the developer in a letter. If no one listens now and we do not get liability insurance on the common open space and later on some one sues us I'ed hate to be named as a board member then. I tried to educate every one about the need for insurance but it all fell on deaf ears because they do not want an HOA. My feeling is they just can't see the forest for the trees. Our HOA would be so simple just an insurance policy on the common open space.
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Jadedone, forgot to say that all the time the developer had control of our HOA we have never had a meeting or paid dues. Guess that is one reason most lot owners see no need to start up an active HOA now.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Dilly, I would not be on the Board and the homeowners would be wise not to accept transfer from the Developer of the common area. He apparently did not tell the truth to the homeowners or else they misunderstood.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dilly,
You owners are FAR from being ready for a turnover. You need legal advise and a engineering study before you should accept anything from the developer.
On your purchase contract, was there a deed restricted community clause that you signed? If so, you are stuck with having a HOA for now. Get all of the owners together and get some information but do not sign for a takeover.
Also look up to see if the developer has a bond either with your county or your so called association. If he does, do not sign a release on that. He has failed to keep his end of the deal with what you have told us.
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Roger, Thank you for the good advice. Jadedone, also pointed that out. I had more or less come to that conclusion before posting on this forum but thought I could help educate my neighbors as to our catch 22 situation ; have an active HOA to get liability insurance or consequences of inactive HOA and no insurance. Now I think I may really need to take action to remove myself from the board. Being one of a very few who see the situation from my view I hate to see my neighbors be roped into a bad situation by not discussing the issues. As I mentioned earlier we called a meeting to discuss the issues facing us and one board member who was very vociferous saying we don't want and don't need a HOA. Had most of the members in attendance cheering him on. when others tried to speak against what he was saying people got up and left. So...... Do I vacate my seat or keep trying to get everyone to come together and discuss both sides of the issues before making a final decision?
DillyD (Maryland)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Donna, I agree we owners are FAR from being ready for a turnover. However, the developer is not carrying any liability insurance on the Common Open Space because he too sees no need to do so. He also believes if we just post no-trespassing signs we will be ok. This is where some people are getting the idea that we do not need
a liability policy or a HOA. If I had documentation to prove this is true I would be a happy camper too...but right now all I have is the say so of the developer. The developer also told one member that only 10% of the HOAs in our county are active so no problem if we follow suit. Again, that may be true but is it a wise choice?? Any one have an opinion?

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