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JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Hi,
I have discussed this subject in other postings. Apparently, there was a vote by co-owners at an annual meeting in the early 2000s to compensate board members. The vote passed and was recorded in the meeting minutes. The board never recorded this as an amendment to our bylaws. (There's a section in our documents regarding compensation.) Shouldn't this have occurred? Fast forward . . . This is a hot topic in our development. The treasurer claims that he no longer has the ballots. He disposed of them years ago. He produced a piece of paper that's states the yes and no numbers from the vote. No other information was given. I'm wondering if this whole thing is even valid since in amendment was never recorded? Couldn't we ask for the money to be reimbursed back to the association from past and present board members? The president and treasurer have served on the board since the alleged vote in the early 2000s.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Your initial question should be how long must ballots be retained? If past that time I say you are out of luck, especially with any dues refunds.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 08/08/2020 2:13 PM
I'm wondering if this whole thing is even valid since in amendment was never recorded?
From the Michigan Condominium Act:

559.153 Bylaws governing administration of condominium project; amendments; recording.
Sec. 53. The administration of a condominium project shall be governed by bylaws recorded as part of the master deed, or as provided in the master deed. An amendment to the bylaws of any condominium project shall not eliminate the mandatory provisions required by section 54. An amendment shall be inoperative until recorded.
History: 1978, Act 59, Eff. July 1, 1978;Am. 1982, Act 538, Imd. Eff. Jan. 17, 1983

See http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-Act-59-of-1978.pdf. You should start word searching the Condo Act any time you have a question.

Because of what the Michigan Condo Act says, I think you might have a good case to stop this compensation in its tracks going forward. But I suspect you really need an attorney. It will take a pretty savvy pro se person to fix the situation via the courts. One would probably be better off spending her or his time getting a like-minded majority on the board and getting a new amendment passed (and recorded this time).

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Posted By JenniferD8 on 08/08/2020 2:13 PM
Couldn't we ask for the money to be reimbursed back to the association from past and present board members? The president and treasurer have served on the board since the alleged vote in the early 2000s.
My quick and dirty layperson's answer: When a board for years and years violates a bylaw and no one says anything, then their 'course of conduct' waives the bylaws. There is a lot of case law on this subject. The courts often do say the course of conduct (in violation of the Bylaws) trumps what the Bylaws say, at least until someone objects. Shame on the membership for not paying attention. I do not like your chances one bit of recovering any compensation from previous years. Toss in that the Michigan Nonprofit Corporation Act says that compensation of directors is allowed (when the Bylaws or their amendments duly authorize such compensation).
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Bylaws and their amendments do not need to recorded in many stats. What about yours, Jennifer?

The only evidence of the outcome of the vote is the meeting minutes. What do they say---exactly?

In CA ad maybe in many states, ballots only need to kept for one year.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
The meeting minutes state:

The results of the ballot on Board compensation was 120 "yes" votes and 23 "no" votes. Thus, the resolution permitting board compensation was passed. A motion to grant compensation to members of the board was tabled to the May meeting. A motion to increase the Treasurer's pay for accounting services by $100 per month was passed.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
The May meeting minutes then state:

The board decided to reduce the monthly fees for members of the board, in view of the large amount of work done without compensation for the association by board members.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jenn

I say in lieu of other "evidence", Official BOD Minutes carry the day.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Jennifer, I wonder if the present Board could just send its agent to record the amendment from decades ago, with a copy of the decades-old Minutes. I suggest you call the county clerk and ask what the county staff would require to record this amendment today. If the county staff indicates more than the decades-old Minutes are needed, or says no way no how they will record an amendment with only a decades-old set of Minutes to support it, consider sending a demand letter like the following:

Dear Board of Directors,

The Michigan Condominium Act at Section 559.153 states that "an amendment shall be inoperative until recorded." At present, the Association compensates you pursuant to an alleged amendment allegedly passed in the early 2000s. The County has no record of this amendment. Furthermore, I believe recording today would require proof that the amendment was duly passed by a recent vote of the membership. I understand such proof does not exist. As a result, I believe your taking compensation is unlawful.

Please stop taking compensation immediately. By August 20, please let me know that you have done so.

Thank you,

name
address
phone number
email addie

If the board ignores this letter or refuses to stop taking compensation, post back.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jenn

Our Covenants state that Annual Dues shall be equally split (as in the same) for all members. Read your docs closer and see if this exists. Payments to the BOD and equal Dues are two different issues. Do not confuse them.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Thanks everyone! Our documents state that the association expenses are to be divided equally among ALL co-owners. I'm definitely against having the board continue to pay themselves in this manner. (I'm on the board and pay my monthly dues.) Plus, as stated in another post, they refuse to issue 1099s to themselves for the compensation.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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You have two separate issues here that are being conflated.

One, the issue of compensating board members, which according to the minutes was approved by the membership but the amendment was never recorded (may or may not be an issue depending on the laws in your state).

Two, the issue of reducing the assessment amount in lieu of writing a check. Unless Michigan is different from other states, this is absolutely not lawful. The assessment amounts are typically spelled out in your CC&Rs, and thus form a part of each owner's contract on their home. The board has no legal right to set this aside unless they amend their CC&Rs. If the proper paperwork is not being filed with the IRS, they may also have an opinion on this.

A third item, which the board members may or may not like: By accepting compensation, they no longer qualify for the legal protections of being volunteers - basically immunity from being held legally liable for errors they make when carrying out their duties. Personally, I would not want to forego such a protection, because we're too lawsuit-happy in this country and people are especially cranky right now (because 2020).
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Jen
May I ask how much we are talking about here? What kind of set up are you in? ( condo, summer park,?)

Most likely this bylaw was passed when getting people to serve on the board was difficult and this was an incentive offered in order to even have a board.

How many board members? General membership?
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Hi,
We have 7 board members. Monthly dues are $200. This is a condo development with 180 units.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
It seems the bylaw conflicts with the CCRs.

Motion to reconfigure the motion compensating board members at a duly called special meeting of the Members.

I’m assuming you have a management company. I can’t believe that board members are overwhelmed with ā€œworkā€ In governing the affairs of the association. (Except the treasurer if he/she is also doing the bookkeeping services.)
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Motion to RECIND ....
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
We are actually self-managed, but I'm desperately pushing for a management company. I realize that management companies have their pros and cons, however, I think it's needed.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 08/10/2020 6:24 AM
We are actually self-managed, but I'm desperately pushing for a management company. I realize that management companies have their pros and cons, however, I think it's needed.

Be very careful. We were self-managed until January 2019. Then we had a MC for 6 months. Then we were self-managaed again after June 209.

Self mis-managed is more like it.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
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Well, no wonder it was motioned for board members to be paid!

When you hire a MC you will see how much work has to be done for a 180 complex.

Still, the board needs to recind that original motion, then hire MC to take over the day to day management, billing, maintenance contracts, ordering, landscape contacts, etc etc .

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Say, Sue, it was the members, not the Board, who voted to compensate directors waaaay back then. The Board may not make a motion to rescind that membership decision.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
The board didn’t do its job. It is their job to make sure to ā€œvetā€ motions brought before the Members at an Annual meeting, I.e. make sure it is legal, moral, fits the mission of the corporation, and does not conflict with any legal Entity or its own CCRs. It’s fails ALL these criteria.

So the passed motion can be declared invalid. The board needs to vote to bring this to the attention of the membership at the next annual or specially called meeting..

Take a vote to recind or not, the motion is illegal and conflicts with CCRs.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By SueW6 on 08/10/2020 6:25 PM
The board didn’t do its job. It is their job to make sure to ā€œvetā€ motions brought before the Members at an Annual meeting, I.e. make sure it is legal, moral, fits the mission of the corporation, and does not conflict with any legal Entity or its own CCRs. It’s fails ALL these criteria.

So the passed motion can be declared invalid. The board needs to vote to bring this to the attention of the membership at the next annual or specially called meeting..

Take a vote to recind or not, the motion is illegal and conflicts with CCRs.


Adding to this, it would be worth discussing with an HOA attorney. In the past, when we had to deal with something that conflicted with current law, the board did not need approval of the membership to do so, only a board resolution. The reasoning being: even if the membership were 100% in agreement with something that was illegal, they still couldn't do whatever it was.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By SueW6 on 08/10/2020 6:25 PM
Take a vote to recind or not, the motion is illegal and conflicts with CCRs.
Michigan statutes allow directors of nonprofits to be compensated. Jennifer has indicated the CC&Rs do not prohibit compensation of directors. I see no conflict per se with the membership voting to allow compensation of directors. (How the directors are compensated is a different issue.)
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I don't see anything illegal either. But I agree with others, the compassion should never be in the form of a reduction in assessment. So that May THAT motion & decision opposes the CC&Rs.

So, it seems to me the Board needs to vote to not compensate directors at all, or to not compensate them in the form of dues reduction.

I really think you need an HOA attorneys advice on this.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Thanks, everyone! I just returned from the meeting. I brought the various points up to the board. The treasurer looked at me like I had two heads. Then, the other puppets of the board followed suit. They determined that everything is legit and they will continue to compensate themselves using the same process. I'm just at a loss at this point. I did indicate that I wanted the meeting minutes to reflect that I'm a volunteer and am not compensated.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
OP said the ā€œdocumentsā€ say that dues are equally divided among the members. If you don’t have contribution from a handful of board members, then the financial burden falls on all other members.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
SueW -- I brought this up to the board, however, they dismissed the fact that this is listed in our documents.

The treasurer said that he manipulates the monthly financials by showing that the dues are paid by everyone (including board members). Then, he inputs an entry in another account showing board compensation. He claims that this was approved by our tax preparer.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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JenniferD8, if it was me I'd get down and dirty and report the association and those directors to the IRS. Even though the IRS may take a long time to investigate, and may end up taking no action, it will put the fear of god into them.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Sounds like a sweet deal.

I’d ask more about 1099s, knowing the note to the IRS was in the mail.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By SueW6 on 08/11/2020 7:03 PM
OP said the ā€œdocumentsā€ say that dues are equally divided among the members. If you don’t have contribution from a handful of board members, then the financial burden falls on all other members.
One could say the same if the board members were paid by properly issued checks (with no assessment rebate) accompanied by 1099-Misc forms after the tax year.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Very true, Augustine**. The treasurer, who also is assuming the position as secretary, sent out the draft board minutes. He failed to accurately capture the board compensation piece. He claims that the board unanimously agreed to compensate all board members. In reality, we discussed and argued the history and validity of the board compensation. When he made the motion. It was to stop the discussion and move on to the next agenda item. He also didn't indicate in the minutes that I requested that the minutes reflect that I'm a volunteer and not compensated. I told him that the minutes need to be revised. I'm at a loss with this board.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 08/14/2020 8:00 PM
[The Treasurer-Secretary] also didn't indicate in the minutes that I requested that the minutes reflect that I'm a volunteer and not compensated.
Arguably only motions and the vote on same goes into the Minutes. But in this case, I think your being an unpaid director is important to document. I agree this is a serious omission. I would be furious.

I continue to feel that fighting the compensation, after many years of same, would be quite difficult. You might even lose in a court of law, on account of 'waiver of Bylaws' principles involving acquiescence by the membership for many years. I think the safest path is to seek a formal amendment saying no compensation, no how.

Meanwhile, finding the right IRS web site to file a complaint about these people not paying taxes on their compensation is not difficult. I would resign from the board and, like Geno suggested, throw everything at them I could via the IRS, reporting both the corporation and the individuals. It will cost the corporation in legal fees. But I think it's better to put a stop to their unlawful failure to pay taxes than continue with the status quo.

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