GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Hi All,
I’m on the Finance Committee in new neighborhood - 650 properties, private roads, lots of amenities - about $800,000 a year in revenue (assessments). Turnover between original and new management companies occurred Jan 1, 2020.
The new management company has nice folks who are trying really hard but has not been able to sort our issues, mainly due to a lack of tools and knowledge - this community was a step up for them.
So, the Board set up the Finance Committee to assist in sorting some of the issues - we are working cooperatively with the MC, with no bad blood, but they are clearly aware the end of their the one year contract is in December - and, yeah, we know the continuation or termination question needs to be resolved quickly. BTW - the management company has several neighborhoods - we are the largest by far. They have been using quickbooks, but may shift to more of an integrated package (name states with a capital B).
Basic history:
- community about 13 years old
- property management company used by the developer (a commercial development company) remained until mid 2019
- build and sellout occurred quickly - perhaps 2-3 years, HOA control for around 10 years, but really clear
- annual assessment remained the same from formation until 2014 (7 years)
- no one knows when the developer formally turned over to the HOA; there appears to be no “package”
- new management company is well intentioned with great people, but clearly over their heads
- we have a relatively large Reserve Fund, but it was begun in 2014 only when our detention ponds were noted as being in bad shape - especially for a new neighborhood
- the only Reserve Study is from 2014, and includes only eight items that were specified by the original management company
- Annual Meeting is held in December each year (financial year is Jan-Dec)
- Bylaws say: “The first annual meeting of the members shall be held within one (1) year from the date of incorporation of the Association, and each subsequent regular meeting of the members shall be held on the same day of the same month of each year thereafter, at the hour of 7 pm, or on such other date as the Board of Directors may determine."
Our “process" over the last year looks like”
- Jun 19 - agreement with outgoing management company for turnover on 31 Dec 19
- Jun 19 - agreement with incoming management company for turnover on 1 Jan 20
- Dec 19 - annual meeting with old management company and annual assessment same as last 6 years (increased only once in 2014)
- Dec 19 - financial report provided to owners by old management company (this would be estimated financials, right?)
- Jan 20 - new management company takes over
- ?? - audit requested from local CPA (FS 720 requires full audit for revenues over $500,000)
- Jul 15 - new industry standard Reserve Study approved by Board
- today - audit of 2019 not yet complete
It seems like the chronology is a bit confused with the annual meeting occurring prior to the end of the fiscal year (a leftover from declarant management?).
So, must an audit (per FS 720) be conducted prior to the delivery of the financial statement (per FS720)? Does our chronology make any sense?
A better chronology?
- Aug-Oct Board reviews financials and determines next assessment level to close budget
- Oct-Nov Board notifies residents of assessment level, confirms date of Annual Meeting, and provides estimated (unaudited) financial statement
- end of fiscal year (31 Dec) occurs
- outgoing board directs audit be accomplished
- audit accomplished and audited financial statement is prepared
- Annual meeting occurs where financial statement is delivered, new board elected, etc
- cycles starts anew
AND - I’m not an accountant, but I have read the many threads on this forum and others - should we be using accrual (or, modified accrual), or cash basis accounting? FS 720 notes the financial statements should be prepared per GAAP, but does not actually specify GAAP accounting system, which would dictate accrual. My sense is that due to our size and complexity, we should be using accrual accounting in order to have a good idea - at any time - of the financial status, how much is available for expenditures not in the budget, etc.
Thoughts on these two broad topics?
Thanks.
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FS720 Excerpt -
(7) FINANCIAL REPORTING.—Within 90 days after the end of the fiscal year, or annually on the date provided in the bylaws, the association shall prepare and complete, or contract with a third party for the preparation and completion of, a financial report for the preceding fiscal year. Within 21 days after the final financial report is completed by the association or received from the third party, but not later than 120 days after the end of the fiscal year or other date as provided in the bylaws, the association shall, within the time limits set forth in subsection (5), provide each member with a copy of the annual financial report or a written notice that a copy of the financial report is available upon request at no charge to the member. Financial reports shall be prepared as follows:
(a) An association that meets the criteria of this paragraph shall prepare or cause to be prepared a complete set of financial statements in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as adopted by the Board of Accountancy. The financial statements shall be based upon the association’s total annual revenues, as follows:
1. An association with total annual revenues of $150,000 or more, but less than $300,000, shall prepare compiled financial statements.
2. An association with total annual revenues of at least $300,000, but less than $500,000, shall prepare reviewed financial statements.
3. An association with total annual revenues of $500,000 or more shall prepare audited financial statements.
(b)1. An association with total annual revenues of less than $150,000 shall prepare a report of cash receipts and expenditures.
I’m on the Finance Committee in new neighborhood - 650 properties, private roads, lots of amenities - about $800,000 a year in revenue (assessments). Turnover between original and new management companies occurred Jan 1, 2020.
The new management company has nice folks who are trying really hard but has not been able to sort our issues, mainly due to a lack of tools and knowledge - this community was a step up for them.
So, the Board set up the Finance Committee to assist in sorting some of the issues - we are working cooperatively with the MC, with no bad blood, but they are clearly aware the end of their the one year contract is in December - and, yeah, we know the continuation or termination question needs to be resolved quickly. BTW - the management company has several neighborhoods - we are the largest by far. They have been using quickbooks, but may shift to more of an integrated package (name states with a capital B).
Basic history:
- community about 13 years old
- property management company used by the developer (a commercial development company) remained until mid 2019
- build and sellout occurred quickly - perhaps 2-3 years, HOA control for around 10 years, but really clear
- annual assessment remained the same from formation until 2014 (7 years)
- no one knows when the developer formally turned over to the HOA; there appears to be no “package”
- new management company is well intentioned with great people, but clearly over their heads
- we have a relatively large Reserve Fund, but it was begun in 2014 only when our detention ponds were noted as being in bad shape - especially for a new neighborhood
- the only Reserve Study is from 2014, and includes only eight items that were specified by the original management company
- Annual Meeting is held in December each year (financial year is Jan-Dec)
- Bylaws say: “The first annual meeting of the members shall be held within one (1) year from the date of incorporation of the Association, and each subsequent regular meeting of the members shall be held on the same day of the same month of each year thereafter, at the hour of 7 pm, or on such other date as the Board of Directors may determine."
Our “process" over the last year looks like”
- Jun 19 - agreement with outgoing management company for turnover on 31 Dec 19
- Jun 19 - agreement with incoming management company for turnover on 1 Jan 20
- Dec 19 - annual meeting with old management company and annual assessment same as last 6 years (increased only once in 2014)
- Dec 19 - financial report provided to owners by old management company (this would be estimated financials, right?)
- Jan 20 - new management company takes over
- ?? - audit requested from local CPA (FS 720 requires full audit for revenues over $500,000)
- Jul 15 - new industry standard Reserve Study approved by Board
- today - audit of 2019 not yet complete
It seems like the chronology is a bit confused with the annual meeting occurring prior to the end of the fiscal year (a leftover from declarant management?).
So, must an audit (per FS 720) be conducted prior to the delivery of the financial statement (per FS720)? Does our chronology make any sense?
A better chronology?
- Aug-Oct Board reviews financials and determines next assessment level to close budget
- Oct-Nov Board notifies residents of assessment level, confirms date of Annual Meeting, and provides estimated (unaudited) financial statement
- end of fiscal year (31 Dec) occurs
- outgoing board directs audit be accomplished
- audit accomplished and audited financial statement is prepared
- Annual meeting occurs where financial statement is delivered, new board elected, etc
- cycles starts anew
AND - I’m not an accountant, but I have read the many threads on this forum and others - should we be using accrual (or, modified accrual), or cash basis accounting? FS 720 notes the financial statements should be prepared per GAAP, but does not actually specify GAAP accounting system, which would dictate accrual. My sense is that due to our size and complexity, we should be using accrual accounting in order to have a good idea - at any time - of the financial status, how much is available for expenditures not in the budget, etc.
Thoughts on these two broad topics?
Thanks.
++++++++++++++++++
FS720 Excerpt -
(7) FINANCIAL REPORTING.—Within 90 days after the end of the fiscal year, or annually on the date provided in the bylaws, the association shall prepare and complete, or contract with a third party for the preparation and completion of, a financial report for the preceding fiscal year. Within 21 days after the final financial report is completed by the association or received from the third party, but not later than 120 days after the end of the fiscal year or other date as provided in the bylaws, the association shall, within the time limits set forth in subsection (5), provide each member with a copy of the annual financial report or a written notice that a copy of the financial report is available upon request at no charge to the member. Financial reports shall be prepared as follows:
(a) An association that meets the criteria of this paragraph shall prepare or cause to be prepared a complete set of financial statements in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as adopted by the Board of Accountancy. The financial statements shall be based upon the association’s total annual revenues, as follows:
1. An association with total annual revenues of $150,000 or more, but less than $300,000, shall prepare compiled financial statements.
2. An association with total annual revenues of at least $300,000, but less than $500,000, shall prepare reviewed financial statements.
3. An association with total annual revenues of $500,000 or more shall prepare audited financial statements.
(b)1. An association with total annual revenues of less than $150,000 shall prepare a report of cash receipts and expenditures.