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DonM20 (Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Greetings all,

New here and looking for advice from this very well informed body. We are looking to buy a nice home with a little acreage in Virginia, but without an HOA.

After much searching, we found a nice home in Northern VA that does NOT have an HOA, on 3 acres. I saw a community mailbox a quarter mile from the house while attending an open house and thought that was odd given there is no HOA (very boldly advertised as such on the listing). So we asked the realtor and found out there are indeed covenants.

We have no problem with covenants are very conscientious and compliant homeowners but do not want any overly broad or vague covenants that can be interpreted widely by others and used t force their will on us or any kind of governing body that can impose new requirements on us after we buy.

I received a copy of the covenants and we are now trying to decide if these covenants amount to more bad HOA stuff or if it is a likely benign entity that will have little likelihood of interfering with our enjoyment of our home.

This set of covenants includes an elected ARB of three homeowners with power and authority to "regulate the design and external appearance of the lots, and the external design, appearance and locations of improvements thereon for the purposes of preserving and enhancing property values and maintaining harmonious relationships among structures and natural vegetation and topography, ensuring continuity of quality of the established unity of character among the lots and maintaining the character, appearance and value of the community" The ARB also has the power to adopt standards as it deems appropriate. Elections of ARB are to be conducted by homeowners. The covenants also require homeowners to gain ARB approval for all exterior modifications to the lot or its improvements prior to making any changes, with the ARB having the power to have any unapproved changes removed at the cost of the owner. Also, the covenants on file with the county include a section about easements (unknown what they are) that are to be maintained by all homeowners with costs spread evenly among all homeowners. Apparently this community has three phases or sections and the community dates back to about 2004. This seems a lot like an HOA but the listing agent is very adamant that I am overthinking it and there is NO HOA and there might not even be an ARB in place right now.

After two back to back bad experiences with HOA boards that went rogue (selective enforcement, reprisals against me for sticking up for myself and others, broad interpretation of Declaration to and adopting rules that target individuals or standards that exceed the covenant language or requiring homeowners to change their lot to please the board), I am reluctant to stay with this contract because it reads like any other HOA only without the name, Articles, By Laws or periodic assessments or Reserves.

The house is nice, needs some work, the lot is beautiful but we would want to make improvements to it like changing vinyl siding to hardiplank, etc which is not allowed in the covenants.... At the same time, we are having a hard time finding any homes without an HOA...…. and the realtor is telling us that it is likely dormant to a degree.

Does anyone have experience with acreage lots in Virginia without an HOA but with covenants that read like an HOA and that have an ARB? Any feedback would help us make a decision about this house. Would hate to pass this up but also would be angry at myself if the day after moving in Cynthia knocks on my door to tell me we have much work to do to please the ARB.. or that I have to remove the apple tree I planted.....

Thanks and sorry if this was too long.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Sure sounds like an HOA to me, or as near as to make no difference. Realtors can be surprisingly uninformed about these things.

My experience is that the quality of life in an HOA depends more on how the community is governed and less on the exact details of the CC&Rs (unless these have some really intrusive provisions). Therefore, I would look hard at the restrictions. How much are they cut and dried, not vague or open to interpretation? An example of this would be "no parking on streets". How much as they subject to interpretation? Architectural guidelines can be vague enough to involve judgement calls. Will there be any amenities such as a clubhouse or pool? There will always be issues and expenses with these. And in general, the more provisions are in the CC&Rs, the more opportunities you have for conflict.

But it will all boil down to your neighbors, and this is something you don't control. By buying into an HOA, you become a legal and financial partner of every other member of the HOA. In my opinion, nobody fully understands just what they've gotten themselves into until they've served several years on the board and have gotten all of their mistaken notions beaten out of them. Most HOAs are incorporated and follow the laws of corporate governance. They are not democracies. And the board members will be selected from people who are basically amateurs when it comes to running a corporation.

Life in an HOA can be great. It can also be a miserable business. The same community can experience both of these situations over the years. For many, the benefits of living in one of these communities outweigh the disadvantages. But the devil is in the details, and unfortunately it can be difficult to ferret out all of these details before buying - not to mention that the individual details can change over time (eg. some board members will be more knowledgeable and skilled than others).

The bottom line is that you give up a certain amount of control when you're in an HOA, and this control may be in the hands of people who don't know what they're doing. This can affect the value of your property, as well as your day to day experience of living there. If this gives you the heebie-jeebies, you may want to do as much research as possible before moving ahead with buying (which it sounds like you're already doing).

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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If I read your post correctly the ARB is made up of 3 people that have a broad range of authority. People come and go which means there will always be a risk that they make decisions you don't agree with. If you can live with this make the purchase and accept the risk. If you can't, I wouldn't do it. This really is a personal decision based on your beliefs.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JohnT38 on 07/07/2020 1:10 PM
If I read your post correctly the ARB is made up of 3 people that have a broad range of authority. People come and go which means there will always be a risk that they make decisions you don't agree with. If you can live with this make the purchase and accept the risk. If you can't, I wouldn't do it. This really is a personal decision based on your beliefs.

I agree.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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If the ARB does not have fining ability in the CCRs, likely the only enforcement method is via the courts (suing). Since that is hard to do with no money, an ARB without an association seems fairly toothless. Even absent an ARB, in most associations individual members can enforce CCRs against neighbors, again this would require suing to have any effect. In many jurisdictions court records can be searched online. You might try to see if the ARB has ever sued anyone to enforce covenants, if they haven't so far they most likely never will, but that's just a free opinion from a random stranger on the internet.

Of course, that doesn't stop some power hungry idiots from trying to enforce by bullying or intimidation, so you might want to talk to a couple of current residents and see how things work there in practice.

The clause that requires owners to collectively maintain easements is a concern, who collects this money and hires contractors?

Unfortunately, as you've found, in many areas finding non-HOA properties can be challenging.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
DonM20 (Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks CathyA3 for your thoughtful and sound advice.

The house is still on the market which is odd right now in such a hot market and given the high interest at the open house. Perhaps others, like me, have the "heebie-jeebies" after finding out about the Declaration of Covenants.

I will give the Declaration a few more detailed reads and perhaps send some questions to the listing agent.

Thanks again for the advice!
DonM20 (Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks John (s). Sound, sage advice. Appreciate it.
DonM20 (Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you DouglasK1. As Cathy mentioned, reading the Declaration made me a bit uncomfortable. Especially given that we are doing a focused search for non-HOA homes. But like you said, not many such homes area available.

Your point about the ARB not having much teeth is what I was wondering about and am glad you mentioned it. "The ARB or any owner shall have the right to enforce, by a proceeding at law or in equity, any or all restrictions, conditions, covenants, reservations, liens and charges now or hereafter imposed by the provisions of this Declaration."

I will do some searching online to see if this particular community ARB is on record in the state of Va. for suing any owners.

Appreciate the help and great advice.

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