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SteveD7 (Florida)
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While our covenants have provisions for responding to an unauthorized tree removal by a homeowner from their property, we would much rather have prevented that beautiful & healthy tree from being removed. What are tactics and strategies that have worked for you to get the community engaged and to comply with their obligation for obtaining pre-approval on tree removal or other architectural changes? I live in Florida.
GenoS (Florida)
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If people do things without permission that they are supposed to obtain permission for in advance, you should fine them pursuant to a fining schedule.

The Florida legislature passed a bill that takes effect on July 1 that restricts local governments from unduly restricting a property owner's right to trim and/or remove trees on his/her property. I don't know how this will mesh with HOA CC&Rs. I sort of anticipate that it will be one of those things where one's CC&Rs will take precedence because (1) CC&Rs are contractual in nature and (2) the new FS 163.045 restricts what "local governments" may require in advance of tree removal. HOAs aren't considered to be "local governments" in Florida and probably not affected by the new statute.
SteveD7 (Florida)
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Yes, fines are a possibility and raises the whole new game of actually collecting $ from someone who doesn't respect rules in the first place. Yes, a lien can be placed against the property but the likelihood of recovery is low and in the distant future. What about community involvement and the power of neighbor-pressure? How can we get the "law abiding" neighbors to influence the potential "tree-killers"?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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If your CCRs restrict this, just take the first person doing it to court.

While you will get kicked back to some form of arbitration, the cost to the violator will be painful, and send a message to all.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By SteveD7 on 06/09/2020 2:14 PM
we would much rather have prevented that beautiful & healthy tree from being removed.

Often, beautiful and healthy trees cause problems to foundations, driveways, etc. because the wrong type of tree is often planted by developers. The trees root systems cause the damage and the only fix is to remove the tree and grind the stump and roots.

With that said, the answer to your question is detailed in your governing documents.
Follow that procedure when members fail to obtain permission.

At the same time, those who hold the approving authority should educate themselves on when a request is provided so an educated vote can be cast.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By SteveD7 on 06/09/2020 4:48 PM
Yes, fines are a possibility and raises the whole new game of actually collecting $ from someone who doesn't respect rules in the first place. Yes, a lien can be placed against the property but the likelihood of recovery is low and in the distant future. What about community involvement and the power of neighbor-pressure? How can we get the "law abiding" neighbors to influence the potential "tree-killers"?

We've had more problems caused here by over-zealous tree lovers who aren't shy about expressing their love for our "beautiful trees" while completely ignoring some of the bad effects that dozens of un-maintained trees can cause.

On the subjcect of fines, we start with the statistic that homeowners own a home for an average of 5 years in Florida. Prospective buyers will often obtain an "Estoppel Certificate" in Florida that spells out any money owed to the association by the owner who is selling, and any outstanding violations or unpaid fines. Since a new owner can be held liable for what the old owner owed, the existence of any unpaid monetary obligations will likely deter anyone from buying a property until the seller gets his house in order. When you combine those 2 things you can figure, on average, a fine will go unpaid for a maximum of 5 years.

If you consider 5 years to be the "distant future", well OK, but eventually the likelihood of recovery is high. And that's without a lien.

My own HOA is hopeless when it comes to this stuff. The board has resisted implementing a fining schedule since forever. They don't want to "offend anybody". This has been the case for 6 years where the makeup of the board changes significantly every year. People just don't want to do the work to make it happen. Good luck if your situation is similar.

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