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RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
Posted:
In Board meetings, can a Board discuss violations during the open session, or does it have to be done in executive session in Texas?

And if one would cite any applicable law that would be extremely helpful.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
Posted:
Added note: Based on the Texas Property Code it seems that violations in general have to be discussed in the open session.  Only the "enforcement actions" are to be discussed in Executive session. See below.

So a board would be required to discuss violations, prior to enforcement action, in the open session, yes/no?

Sec. 209.0051. OPEN BOARD MEETINGS.   

(c) Regular and special board meetings must be open to owners, subject to the right of the board to adjourn a board meeting and reconvene in closed executive session to consider actions involving personnel, pending or threatened litigation, contract negotiations, enforcement actions, confidential communications with the property owners' association's attorney, matters involving the invasion of privacy of individual owners, or matters that are to remain confidential by request of the affected parties and agreement of the board.  
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Roger

Can you expand a bit?

In the association in which we reside, I am the president. During Board meetings the PM or I will summarize outstanding violations and state they are being addressed as is required in the Out of Compliance Process which is in place in the Association. I also summarize delinquent account information and the Collection Process in the same way.

Frankly, the Board should seldom find the need to have a discussion in ES if the processes are in place and are followed. In our collection process, we can agree in the open meeting to invoke the out of compliance fine structure or refer a delinquent account to the attorney or whatever, so long as the lot/owner are not identified.

It is very appropriate to hold a discussion in an open meeting as to why there is an uptick in the number of violations of a particular rule. It is also appropriate in an open meeting to discuss modifications to rules, regulations, and the compliance process itself.

However, discussions regarding specific lot owners take place only in ES. Sometimes a Board member may not be familiar with a particular compliance issue, those are discussed openly so long as the privacy of the owner is respected.

BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
Yes they can and must discuss violations in an open meeting unless they are discussing an enforcement action. If they are discussing an enforcement action, they MAY go into executive session, but it's not required. This is assuming you are not a condo association as section 209 does not apply to condos.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By BillH10 on 05/07/2020 9:33 AM
Roger

Can you expand a bit?


A board member was wondering if okay to discuss violation process/examples without naming people etc. in open meeting.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
In Florida all discussion - except employee/personnel and litigation - is in open session.

We commonly discuss, by address, violations and fining.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
Posted:
Thanks for both answers.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
Posted:
All answers - thanks.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We always referred to their Lot #'s never person's name. That pertained to violations, collections, and complaints. It is a board meeting after all that others may attend. The issues have to be discussed somehow.

We were always open in our meetings. Behind the scenes stuff never flew with me.

Former HOA President
RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/07/2020 3:18 PM
We always referred to their Lot #'s never person's name. That pertained to violations, collections, and complaints. It is a board meeting after all that others may attend. The issues have to be discussed somehow.

We were always open in our meetings. Behind the scenes stuff never flew with me.

It was suggested referring to lot #s, but anyone can look up the lot number in our association so what would be the difference as far as identifying people?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Of course you can look that up. It just takes effort. Which how many people do you know puts that in? Plus it sounds more professional. No one can accuse the board of using names or other identifiers other than Lot # which is PUBLIC information.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Roger ... back to basics. What does Texas statute say?

If it says the information can be discussed in open HOA meeting, then do that.

Even though we could do it by name in Florida, we use addresses ...

We discuss fines for violations, accounts in arrears ... sure, anyone can find out the names. We sometimes have folks attend Board meetings who want to talk about their accounts in arrears and their violations.

Everyone in the community should be aware of violations, accounts in arrears, etc.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/07/2020 6:28 PM
Even though we could do it by name in Florida, we use addresses ...

We do the same. The goal of enforcement is comliance, not punishment. We don't want to publicly humiliate anyone.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
Yes. Former Texas HOA president here. Absolutely Yes. The only restriction is that no PII (Personally Identifiable Information)can be disclosed. No names, no lot numbers, no gray area anything. Summaries of executive sessions are fine.

IMHO there is a great need to discuss unique and specific issues in an open forum. Just don't name names or give clues that could lead to identification of individuals.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Jared,

Can you provide a citation for the restrictions against PII in Texas?
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
Only said every Texas lawyer ever.

But to be more specific we need to look at Texas Property Code 209.005(k) and generally 209.005 as it pertains to "Association Records"

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PR/htm/PR.209.htm
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
I gotta be honest here. I'm jaded and cynical. If the law correctly states the sky is blue then some lawyer somewhere will argue it's another color just because they're being paid. I will admit I'm a bit loose with my lips but appreciate the need to backup my position with real, verifiable, factual data.

It's all good. :-)
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
OK - thanks - however, what does it say?

The statement re attorneys ... do you have citations for this assessment?

Trace it out for us?

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