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MichaelB32 (California)
Posts: 141
Posted:
One of our downstair units has been in foreclosure for a couple of months. Recently the two neighbors above complained that their sinks were block (three story stack condos). There was a drain outside the unit, which one of the neighbors open with filthy smelling water coming out. This still do no fix the issue. The plumbling company has tried to snake the line to not avail. We are still working on this issue. Think of breaking through the outside stucco.

First Question:

One of the residents discovered that the sliding glass door was unlocked to the unit. Inside they found mole growing all over the the sink including the cabinets. The board thinks this trespassing. But the unit was unlocked. That is my first question. IS this trespassing.

Second Question:
This is obviously this is a heath issue affecting units around it. What are the HOA legal right to enter this unit to fix it (e.g. the mole). This unit seem to be in legal issue because of foreclosure and not one can easily be contact who has responsibility for the condo. Kind of abandoned

Since this Discussion limits uploads to 200KB (really small), I have posted a picture of this issue at

http://harbourvistanews.com/MoleIssue-600px.png

This picture will make it clear our concerns


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MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
The Board should attempt to notify the owner of the property. Once an attempt is made, enter the property. If the plumbing issue is the fault of the foreclosed unit, then the association put the cost on the unit's tab and hope it gets paid when unit is re-sold.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By MichaelB32 on 05/04/2020 12:46 PM
First Question:
One of the residents discovered that the sliding glass door was unlocked to the unit. Inside they found mold growing all over the the sink including the cabinets. The board thinks this trespassing. But the unit was unlocked. That is my first question. IS this trespassing?
You can look up the California Penal Code's definition of criminal trespassing. I do not think this qualifies. Is this what is known as "Civil trespassing"? Since I do not see that there are any damages from the act, I doubt it.

I am not sure why the board's opinion (re trespassing) matters. The alleged trespassing is more than likely an issue between the owners of the two units. I think any trespassing is the least of the board's worries.
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Posted By MichaelB32 on 05/04/2020 12:46 PM
Second Question:
This is obviously this is a heath issue affecting units around it.
I looked at the photo. Yes, this is serious.
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Posted By MichaelB32 on 05/04/2020 12:46 PM
What are the HOA legal right to enter this unit to fix it (e.g. the mold).
On the one hand and as is common, your Declaration appears to give the HOA the right to enter the unit and make repairs. On the other hand, nationwide, HOA attorneys advise against entering without the unit owner's permission. On the third hand, I would argue this is an emergency. If I were on this HOA's Board, I would ask for an emergency meeting and make a motion to immediately contact the city and state health departments and get their advice; contact the HOA attorney and get the HOA attorney's advice; contact the insurer and let them know what is going on; and contact all possible owners of the unit to inform them emphatically, pointedly and with more than a snarl that they are in violation of CC&Rs 2.08 (Maintenance requirements of Unit Owner) and 8.3 Nuisance. I think the Board should start studying Article XI "Eminent Domain."

Your Board knows about the massive mold. Its failure to act promptly could hold it out to significant liability.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If it's in foreclosure, could the association attorney check to see who the mortgage company is and blast them into fixing this? That will likely mean more drama because mortgage companies hate getting involved in this type of thing. However, it could be argued since they have a secured interest in the place, they should secure it and make it habitable. Otherwise how else will they get some money back?

By the way, you didn't say If the owner (whereever he is she is) is paying and assessments (probably not). If so, maybe you can do some sort of skip tracing to find him/her, but if you do, prepare for little or no response. You could use but then the owner will do everything to try not to pay. Or he/she has no money anyway, so what else can you do? If the association ends up writing this off you'll know why.

There was a townhouse in my community like this for YEARS before anything was done. The owner was a drunk who's spend all his money on strippers and two ex wives, both of whom took the money he didn't throw away in the club. Unfortunately for us, the man was an attorney and knew what to do to keep from paying. I think a judge got fed up and blasted the mortgage company into gutting out the place, doing a bunch of repairs and selling it. It looks fairly well today - I think an investor rents it out.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
I don't believe it is civil or criminal trespassing. The clock is running now, the HOA is aware of a potential serious health risk. Like the others said, you need to reach out to your local code enforcement. call the mortgage holder, your HOA attorney. at best the HOA can pay for mold remediation and fixing the plumbing/ sewer issue and just put a lien on the foreclosed unit for the cost of the mold remediation.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We had this similar issue on a home we foreclosed on. Technically yes you are trespassing and the HOA has no rights to enter the property if this is a separate home. However, if there are shared walls then egress may be allowable if the HOA is responsible for the walls and anything in them.

I would contact the bank whom is foreclosing for them to be aware. It is their money involved here and investment. I would also make sure your HOA has a lien on property if dues have been left unpaid. DO NOT foreclose on that lien. Your going to be doing the bank's work if you do. It just puts you in line next if there is extra money.

We entered the property because the pipe broke on the 2nd floor flooding the bottom floor. Had to get the water shut off. After that we left the property alone. The HOA had a lien on the property and we did eventually foreclose on it. We did not own it at the time and didn't have the right to enter except it was considered and emergency.

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