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RobertaS2 (Michigan)
Posts: 81
Posted:
Hello. I tried to see if this was already a topic and couldn't find it, so here goes:

Coronavirus and mandatory MI State ordered shut downs have resulted in 2 full months, so far, of NO SERVICES. Even our property management company shut down except to receive dues via mail. Now we are facing no pools for the summer. We usually spend 100,000. for the pools in summer. Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?

What do others here think? Have you had these concerns? How have you handled this sort of consideration/or how would you handle this?

Thanks ahead for all who chime in.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By RobertaS2 on 04/29/2020 2:08 PM

Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?

In my opinion, no.

The pool still needs upkeep (used or not).
The Reserves for the pool will need to continue to be funded.

Additionally, if they did this, wouldn't this open another issue - why should those who don't use the pool have to pay?
A can of worms nobody would want to open.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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According to the gut that maintains our pool it's costs just as much to keep the pool closed as it does open. Where I am everything is shut down during the winter and the pool is covered. He said that keeping the pumps off to long is not good for the equipment and too much dirt, slime, etc enters the water and deteriorates the walls of the pool.

Also, be careful what you ask for. Do you want them lowering fees when delinquencies may be on the rise?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Roberta,

No.

Given the circumstances, the likelihood of higher than normal number of owners in arrears on dues and foreclosures, plus the need to maintain the pool water chemistry, pump power, cleanliness, access systems, fencing, etc ...

Don't worry, it will all balance out.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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$100,000.00 to service your pools just for the summer? Let's say you have pool service 3 times or more per week during the summer, with no activity that can be reduced to once a week.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By RobertaS2 on 04/29/2020 2:08 PM
Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?

Absolutely not.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By GenoS on 04/29/2020 3:13 PM
Posted By RobertaS2 on 04/29/2020 2:08 PM
Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?

Absolutely not.

I agree. Out of pure curiosity does a Board have the legal authority to lower regime fees temporarily?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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They have the legal authority to raise or lower dues to a degree. Can go over a certain percentage and probably not below budget.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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No. What happens when you all need to raise the dues again in the future? You still have pool expenses. Just put the money into reserves. If it is earmarked for pool use, then use it to make repairs/improvements for that area. I would not reduce dues for short term issues. If this was a long term, (buried the pool under) then may be a different story.

Former HOA President
AugustinD
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Posted By RobertaS2 on 04/29/2020 2:08 PM
Coronavirus and mandatory MI State ordered shut downs have resulted in 2 full months, so far, of NO SERVICES. Even our property management company shut down except to receive dues via mail. Now we are facing no pools for the summer. We usually spend 100,000. for the pools in summer. Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?
Before opining, I would want to see how much money is saved by shutting the pool down. The argument that people are going to be in arrears anyway, so keep the dues at their present level, does not make complete sense to me.
LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By RobertaS2 on 04/29/2020 2:08 PM
Hello. I tried to see if this was already a topic and couldn't find it, so here goes:

Coronavirus and mandatory MI State ordered shut downs have resulted in 2 full months, so far, of NO SERVICES. Even our property management company shut down except to receive dues via mail. Now we are facing no pools for the summer. We usually spend 100,000. for the pools in summer. Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?

What do others here think? Have you had these concerns? How have you handled this sort of consideration/or how would you handle this?

Thanks ahead for all who chime in.

First of, the MI governor is a FOOL. I am quite confident that the MI shutdown order did not include pool servicing companies and landscapers. These are critical business that provide a critical service to private communities. Our HOA saves only $1000.00 closing the pool for four months in the winter. It is not a significant savings to justify closing the pool for four months, but that is a different story all together.
During this shutdown, we still have regular landscaping, tho the pool cleaner only comes once a week to check the chemical balance of the pool.

Under no circumstance should you reduce assessments. You will have a little extra in the operating budget, so you likely won't have to raise assessments or not that much next year.

Have your owners consider this, If they had a pool and landscaping that they paid themselves. The pool still needs to be cleaned and maintained, otherwise the pool will turn green. The landscaping needs to be completed, because of weeds and overgrowth. The vendors need to be paid, regardless if it was individual or HOA.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Let,

Keep your politics to yourself.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By JohnT38 on 04/29/2020 3:35 PM
Out of pure curiosity does a Board have the legal authority to lower regime fees temporarily?

Probably yes. This virus thing isn't over yet by a longshot, though. There could still be all kinds of economic hardship in the near future. I'd prefer sticking with the current budget and then re-evaluate at the end of the year. If there are funds left over from operations then the board can vote to do things like (a) add them to the reserves, or PERHAPS use them to defer some of the budgeted costs for next year's operations. I'd want to see the actual dollar amounts before doing anything, but a mid-year course correction now is probably not a good idea. There's a lot that could happen between now and the end of the year.
RobertaS2 (Michigan)
Posts: 81
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Thank you all for your insights and opinions. Our pool budget "for pool guards and summer help for the pool" is that additional 100,000. (guards, summer upkeep, etc.). No one does anything for the pool once it is covered. But you have all made a pretty good case for why we still might need the budget for the future.
Actually, we have a similar problem in this state with high property taxes. Either way, it is educational and helpful to hear others' opinions. Thank you all for chiming in.
ScottF3 (Michigan)
Posts: 10
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Roberta,

I wouldn't change anything, and you may want to check if you even could. Our by-laws state that we are to set an annual budget and collect based on that. Changing mid-year could cause all sorts of problems. We've taken the stance that anything that creates a profit gets rolled into the next year to offset new liabilities, and the next year would see a lower HOA fee for the year.

Let,

The governor did not allow landscapers to work from early April until this past Monday. Same with greenhouses, landscape supply, golf courses, and many other things. They were all deemed non-essential by her. Politics aside, this is what happened. Just wanted to clear up what was going on here.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By RobertaS2 on 04/29/2020 2:08 PM
Hello. I tried to see if this was already a topic and couldn't find it, so here goes:

Coronavirus and mandatory MI State ordered shut downs have resulted in 2 full months, so far, of NO SERVICES. Even our property management company shut down except to receive dues via mail. Now we are facing no pools for the summer. We usually spend 100,000. for the pools in summer. Shouldn't the Board discount the dues for those losses of services?

What do others here think? Have you had these concerns? How have you handled this sort of consideration/or how would you handle this?

Thanks ahead for all who chime in.

Roberta,

There's no need to reduce your dues rate due to the pandemic as the bureaucratic costs of cutting checks and re-adjusting your finances/accounting is largely impractical. One recommendation - if refunds are being overwhelmingly demanding - is to take the unspent pool operations funds (due to coronavirus shutdown mandates) and roll it into your 2021 operations budget and, if dues were slated to be increased in 2021,use that revenue to hold dues rates or keep an increase lower. The savings for dues payers will be equivalent in the end.

However, we won't open our pool on time due to Executive Order and will not be issuing refunds. My preference is to direct our unused daily pool testing money (saved since we're closed) towards very light maintenance that supports our pool service company in lieu of the thrice-daily pool chemical checks.

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