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MarcC4 (South Carolina)
Posts: 27
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I need some help. There is an application for a homeowner to put in a permanent basketball goal in their side yard. The controlling restriction is worded as:

CC&R SECTION 6: “Clotheslines and portable basketball goals shall not be allowed. No bird baths, vegetable gardens, frog ponds, lawn sculpture, artificial plants, birdhouses, rock gardens or similar types of accessories and lawn furnishings, sand boxes or other children's play equipment shall be permitted in the front or side yards of any Lot and the installation or location of a swingset and/or permanent basketball goal on a Lot must receive prior written approval of the Architecture Review Committee.”

Based on the wording above, do you think permanent basketballs goals are allowed in the side yard?

For me I like to shorten the sentence and edit out the additional laundry list of words, so I get:

“No children's play equipment shall be permitted in the front or side yards of any Lot and the installation or location of a permanent basketball goal on a Lot must receive prior written approval of the Architecture Review Committee.”

To me “children’s play equipment” includes basketball goals. And the use of the word “AND” in the sentence connects the entire intent by linking “children’s play equipment” to the “basketball goal” later in the sentence.

So from this I get by implication: YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A PERMANENT BASKETBALL GOAL IN THE BACK YARD WITH APPROVAL OF THE ARC.

Your thoughts?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Not great writing skills, but ... “ and the installation or location of a swingset and/or permanent basketball goal on a Lot must receive prior written approval of the Architecture Review Committee,” to, me, is standalone.

Gotta get approval for where you want to put it. Not related to the first part. Swing sets and basketball goals are subject to specific approval.
MarcC4 (South Carolina)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Interesting. So you think the NOT ON FRONT OR SIDE only applies to the first part of the sentence and NOT to the basketball hoop?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Permanet basketball goal can be put in a back yard upon ARC approval.
MarcC4 (South Carolina)
Posts: 27
Posted:
MarkW. That is my interpretation as well. Had the sentence been stopped with a period, and the final part been by itself, then that would be different. But I am trying to get a number of opinions.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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With GeorgeS, I do not see that permanent basketball goals must be installed only in back yards. The word "lot" seems to include, well, the whole lot. Poor wording, indeed, and not unusual in such documents.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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This reads to me like you can install a permanent one with approval of the ARC,but it can ONLY be in the front of side yard.

I get what your saying about playground equipment and basketball goals, but it's usually easier to get rid of a swing set as opposed to a basketball goal. Perhaps this is being interpreted as the goal would be a permanent part of the house, similar to a satellite tv dish.

So what has your Board said about this? Is there an issue because someone want a the goal in the backyard and the board will only approve it if it's in the front or side of the house? Is there some reason why the requestor doesn't want it there?


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarcC4 (South Carolina)
Posts: 27
Posted:
They want to put it in the side yard. The board interprets the rules as only allowed in the back yard, and only if ARC approved.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I read it to say no portable basketball hoops are allowed in neither the front nor side yards. This means they are allowed in the backyard or side.

I also read it to say permanent basketball hoops are allowed anywhere on the lot, but do require permission from the ARC.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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It says the installation ON a lot must receive ARC approval, it doesn't say it can be placed anywhere.

If I were on a Board, because of safety concerns (kids running out into the street after a missed shot) the only place would be in the backyard!
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/29/2020 1:39 PM
With GeorgeS, I do not see that permanent basketball goals must be installed only in back yards. The word "lot" seems to include, well, the whole lot. Poor wording, indeed, and not unusual in such documents.


So I suppose that a swing set can be installed in the front right next to the basketball goal.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/29/2020 1:39 PM
With GeorgeS, I do not see that permanent basketball goals must be installed only in back yards. The word "lot" seems to include, well, the whole lot. Poor wording, indeed, and not unusual in such documents.
I agree. Also I think a basketball hoop is as much adult play equipment as it is kids'. Lastly, when covenants are ambiguous, the courts rule in favor of free enjoyment of property. Here I think this means the basketball hoop can go anywhere as long as the ARC approves it and without discriminating between owners' applications for same.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Jeez, MarkW, one would hope the ARC wouldn't permit such installation. Where in the CC&R, MarkW, do you plainly see it must only be in the back yard?

IMO, a side yard typically is too narrow for a Basketball goal, so if san ARC member, I'd vote to put it elsewhere. But we were asked to interpret the CC&Rs, not give our two cents about where we think it should be.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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Being that I have some experience with this I'll explain. In every CCRs, there is an a section devoted to the ARC. That section may have some guidance as to what and what can't be done and the process for having it approved. It also sets up the committee itself. Years ago I managed a rather large HOA (PUD) in Santa Clarita, CA. They had regular governing docs and in addition had a 60 plus page book devoted solely for architectural standards.

So, the CCRs could say no portable play equipment and basketball goals and other things in the front or side yards, but they could be placed in the backyard WITHOUT ARC approval. The CCRs then say installed swing sets and basketball goals can place on a lot with ARC approval, but doesn't say where. Everyone here assumes they can be placed anywhere. If you would allow a portable one in the front yard, why would you allow a permanent one? The separate ARC guidelines will give those directions.

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BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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"The installation or location of a swingset and/or permanent basketball goal...” should be a new sentence but I think it is still separate from the first part. So, they would be allowed in side yards unless you consider it children's play equipment.

I would argue that a basketball hoop is commonly used by all ages. The fact that it says, "sandboxes and other children's play equipment" implies they are talking about young children. In my opinion, if it is not clear you should err in favor of the property owner.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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Posted By BenA2 on 04/29/2020 7:58 PM
"The installation or location of a swingset and/or permanent basketball goal...” should be a new sentence but I think it is still separate from the first part. So, they would be allowed in side yards unless you consider it children's play equipment.

I would argue that a basketball hoop is commonly used by all ages. The fact that it says, "sandboxes and other children's play equipment" implies they are talking about young children. In my opinion, if it is not clear you should err in favor of the property owner.

So why not have a portable basketball goal stored out of view when not in use. You err in favor safety not the property owner.
MarcC4 (South Carolina)
Posts: 27
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The first line of the rule states NO PORTABLE BASKETBALL, so that restriction is very clear.
The issue is where can a permanent basketball net be placed.
MarkW18
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Posted By MarcC4 on 05/02/2020 8:44 PM
The first line of the rule states NO PORTABLE BASKETBALL, so that restriction is very clear.
The issue is where can a permanent basketball net be placed.

Where would you want it? Have you asked the ARC where they are permitted?

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