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DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Hello all,

I'm new to the forum, I'm having some issues with a home I am currently in a purchase contract with the builder. I reviewed all the deed restrictions that were provided to me before entering in to the purchase contract. The builder is installing a "ranch style fence" and when I looked at the deed restrictions there was nothing stating it must be that style of fencing. I inquired with the builder if it would be okay for me to install a privacy fence at my own expense after moving in to the home. The builder told me that the developer who is the "president" of the "HOA" says that no privacy fencing will be allowed and only "ranch style" fencing would be allowed. I reminded them that the deed restrictions do not stated this and they only state the fence must be made of brick or wood and no taller than 8' and no less than 4'. My wife and I love this home and the location but we are jaded on the "ranch style" fencing and not sure what to do here. I am including the specific text from the deed restrictions and a picture of the fence.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I didn't see your attachments, but since the developer is still running the show, he/she may have a right to establish or change any rules whenever they want until the community's turned over to the homeowners.

When you had this discussion with the builder, did he/she give you anything in writing that stated it would be ok to build the privacy fence? If so, you could show that to the developer - it would appear he and the HOA president need to clean up their communication. If not, you may be stuck if you can't negotiate some sort of compromise - if you can, GET IT IN WRITING and be sure it's signed by the developer.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I tried attaching the files but it says incorrect/too large so it won't let me.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Did you receive any kind of architectural guidelines for the community? Or any kind of information that talks about the "look and feel" of the community?

I wouldn't expect that sort of information to be in the deed restrictions. The CC&R documents I've seen have a section on architectural control, and there is usually language saying that exterior changes must be approved. There is also often some vague language about changes needing to conform to the appearance of the rest of the community, but I haven't seen anything that gets down to specifics like fence style.

It sounds like the developer still controls the HOA. If this is the case, and if he says "no" to privacy fences, then "no" it is. It's very common for HOAs to have a specific style to them, and if you tend to chafe at what you consider "stupid rules", then living in at HOA may get under your skin. You'll have to decide if the positives of the community outweigh this one negative.

DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:

Here is an excerpt from the deed restrictions, there is technically not an HOA yet so the developer is still in control, however if the biggest thing he wanted in the community was ranch style fencing that should have been included and also told to all potential buyers.

C. ANTENNAS
All antennas, video discs, satellite receivers (including without limitation radio or
television transmitting or receiving antennas) shall be installed so that no antenna, dises, etc. are
visible from any street or common area.
D. FENCES, WALKS AND HEDGES
No fence or wall of any character shall be erected nearer than the front
building line and no fence or wall shall exceed 6 feet in height. The only acceptable fence materials
(1)
shall be brick or wood.
(2)
No hedge of more than 6 feet in height shall be permitted in front of any
dwelling
(3)
All fences and walls shall comply with all applicable Laws.
(4)
Unless otherwise approved by the ACC, no fence, wall or hedge will be
erected or maintained on any lot nearer to the street than the front elevation of the residence
constructed on the lot, except for fences erected in conjunction with the model homes or sales
offices. The ACC will have the sole discretion to determine the front elevation of the residence for
the purpose of this Section. No chain-link, metal, vinyl or agricultural fences may be installed or
maintained on a lot, except by Declarant. No fence shall be less than four (4) feet in height or be
greater than eight (8) feet in height, unless installed by Declarant or required by applicable Law.
If required by the Plat, the Owner of each lot shall construct, at such Owner's sole cost and expense
and prior to occupying any improvement, a sidewalk on such Owner's lot, located and designed in
conformance with the Plat. Each Owner must maintain all fences on such Owner's lot in good
condition, including but not limited to periodically restaining all fences on such Owner's lot using
stain substantially similar to the stain applied to the fences as originally constructed (if any), as
determined by the ACC. Any broken rails, fallen or leaning posts must be repaired or replaced. In
the event that a fence on an Owner's lot is replaced, the Owner is responsible for staining the new
fence with stain substantially similar to the stain applied to the fences as originally constructed (if
any), as determined by the ACC.
E. LANDSCAPING
Grasses and weeds growing on any front, side or rear yard of a lot shall be
(1)
cut or mowed at such intervals as to maintain front, side, or rear, of not more than six inches (6")
above the sod thereunder. Until a dwelling is built on a lot, the Declarant, or its duly authorized
agents or assigns, may, at its option, cut such grasses and weeds to meet this covenant and may
have dead trees, shrubs, and plants removed from the lot and the owner of said lot shall be held,
by the acceptance of a deed thereto, to be obligated to pay and reimburse it, its duly authorized
agents or assigns for the cost thus incurred.
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
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The only issue I have is wanting a privacy fence, I like my privacy. It was not stated by the builder that it wasn't allowed and it is not stated in the deed restrictions, when I asked about it to the management company they said yes you are allowed to put up a privacy fence, then when they called the developer they changed their story. Now apparently they are amending the deed restrictions which I don't understand how they can do that if someone entered in to a purchase contract with those specific deed restrictions. And the builder said they would have to call every single person in contract to update them on the NEW deed restrictions. I think I will be walking away from this one.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I didn't see the picture you included, so I don't understand something: what does your privacy fence give you that a 6-foot tall brick wall would not? This may tell us what the developer is objecting to.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What Cathy said. You said you were in a purchase agreement, so I hope there's language discussing how to cancel the contract (hopefully you're within the timeline). If not, you may have to eat whatever you've paid to date, but perhaps that's worth it to you if you really want a privacy fence, but the developer won't allow it.

As was said earlier, some developers change the rules for whatever reason until the community's turned over to the homeowners - read through the rest of the documents you received and you may find language to that effect. Consider this one lesson learned.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
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It's not a brick fence, it's a 3 post ranch style fence....barely a fence.
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
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Posted By SheliaH on 04/22/2020 3:20 PM
What Cathy said. You said you were in a purchase agreement, so I hope there's language discussing how to cancel the contract (hopefully you're within the timeline). If not, you may have to eat whatever you've paid to date, but perhaps that's worth it to you if you really want a privacy fence, but the developer won't allow it.

As was said earlier, some developers change the rules for whatever reason until the community's turned over to the homeowners - read through the rest of the documents you received and you may find language to that effect. Consider this one lesson learned.

$100 earnest money...big deal. Your right I did learn my lesson, don't take legal bindings documents to the bank. And don't buy in a community that's just being developed.
DerickL (Texas)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/22/2020 3:15 PM
I didn't see the picture you included, so I don't understand something: what does your privacy fence give you that a 6-foot tall brick wall would not? This may tell us what the developer is objecting to.

It's not brick, it's a 3 post ranch style fence with hog panel nailed to it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Derick

Welcome to the world of HOA's. As long as the developer is in control, they call the shots.

One of the main complaints about developers is they let people do to what they wanted in order "to make the sale" and when once in owners control, they could not do.

I admire your developer for holding the line. Most do not.
DerickL (Texas)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 04/22/2020 3:49 PM
Derick

Welcome to the world of HOA's. As long as the developer is in control, they call the shots.

One of the main complaints about developers is they let people do to what they wanted in order "to make the sale" and when once in owners control, they could not do.

I admire your developer for holding the line. Most do not.

I don't have a problem with what he wants, I had a problem with being told one thing by the builders, mgmt company, then being told another by the developer after the ā€œsaleā€ and even after reading the deed restrictions he basically backtracked and now they are supposedly filing an amendment on the restrictions. Which is fine, they won’t get my money.
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
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Posted By SheliaH on 04/22/2020 2:07 PM
I didn't see your attachments, but since the developer is still running the show, he/she may have a right to establish or change any rules whenever they want until the community's turned over to the homeowners.

When you had this discussion with the builder, did he/she give you anything in writing that stated it would be ok to build the privacy fence? If so, you could show that to the developer - it would appear he and the HOA president need to clean up their communication. If not, you may be stuck if you can't negotiate some sort of compromise - if you can, GET IT IN WRITING and be sure it's signed by the developer.

Not at all, why would I think it would be out of the norm to build a privacy fence? The ā€œfenceā€ they are putting up might keep our cattle but that’s about it, again it’s a ranch fence and a lot of builders put them up as a courtesy to clients until they can put up an actual fence.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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HOA's often have "Themes". Our "Theme" was a New England fishing village. So it was full of muted colors and no front yard fences. It sounds like your "Theme" is Western Ranch. So a privacy fence does not fit into the "feel" or "theme" the developer is going for. It is about consistency in a HOA. Your home will stick out like a sore thumb if you have a fence no one else has.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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This is easy ... unless I don’t understand.

All the other properties have ranch style fences ... this is the ā€œlookā€ decided upon by the developer.

Get over it, either buy the property and install that fence, or have everyone hate you for the time you live there - for being special.
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/22/2020 4:35 PM
This is easy ... unless I don’t understand.

All the other properties have ranch style fences ... this is the ā€œlookā€ decided upon by the developer.

Get over it, either buy the property and install that fence, or have everyone hate you for the time you live there - for being special.

Honestly does no one read before commenting?? There are no other properties.... There is no look, it’s a brand new community. There are also no fences currently except temporary Again I don’t have a problem with the look, I have a problem with being told one thing by the BUILDER and reading what the builder told me in the restrictions just to be told no that’s not true and all the sudden now after I am in contract they are amending the restrictions.
DerickL (Texas)
Posts: 11
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/22/2020 4:21 PM
HOA's often have "Themes". Our "Theme" was a New England fishing village. So it was full of muted colors and no front yard fences. It sounds like your "Theme" is Western Ranch. So a privacy fence does not fit into the "feel" or "theme" the developer is going for. It is about consistency in a HOA. Your home will stick out like a sore thumb if you have a fence no one else has.

Again, do people not know how to read the post before commenting??
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Sorry ...my post should have related to your unwillingness to accept the ā€œplanned look.ā€

And, again, buy the property and build the fence to match the ā€œplanned lookā€ ... or, get the ā€œplanned lookā€ changed ... or, don’t buy the property.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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Developers do have more control in the development period but I don't think they can change your deed restrictions after you purchase. It is a legal contract and the development period should have no effect on that. I'm not positive about that though.

I am sure that in Texas, if it's not in the deed restrictions or if the deed restrictions are ambiguous, it can't be controlled. So, as long as the fence doesn't violate what is clearly stated in the deed restrictions, you can have it.

Travis Heights Improvement Ass’n v. Small, 662 S.W.2d 406, 409-10 (Tex. App.—Austin 1983
"If the Covenants are held to be ambiguous, we must resolve any ambiguities in its favor under the common-law principle that doubts about the meaning of the terms of a restrictive covenant must be resolved in favor of the free use of land."

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