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MarioG1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 7
Posted:
What are HOA boards doing to collect delinquent fees?
DaveP8 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Late fee added if payment not received or postmarked by due date. Reminder letter sent when 30 days past due. Lien filed after 90 days.
MarioG1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thank you. What are your end to end lien process fees?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I would think the lien processing fees vary by county - you should call the appropriate agency in your area to find that out.

Your collection policy should also contain language stating the homeowner must reimburse the association for all expenses incurred in pursuing the debt. That would include court costs, attorney fees and the costs in filing and releasing a lien. If you don't have that policy, you need to add it and notify all homeowners accordingly with an effective date (the board should vote on adding the policy so it'll be added to the minutes).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
I would have charged $150.00 for a pre-lien, $425.00 for a lien, which included a lien release, plus recording fees if the county was excessive.
DaveP8 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 47
Posted:
I believe we charge $125 for filing of a lien. If the homeowner gets account up to date, we delay the release of lien until the next annual dues have been paid. This saves a possible release of lien fee only to be followed with another lien.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
In our case, we follow the state law on dues collections without much exception. Should a homeowner approach the HOA with a reason they've fallen behind or a hardship, we'll certainly listen and consider options.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
If you mean assessments when you say "fees," we start the process in November with assessment notice sent, due NLT Dec 31, 30 day grace period, then late fees and interest begins.

The previous Board was pretty lenient and cut deals for many suspect reasons.

I instituted, with Board approval, a process that includes automatic turnover to legal counsel on Aug 1. Once with counsel, we don't discuss any longer.

Counsel attempts to negotiate a payment plan (which includes a startup cost), and then monitors the plan - this includes lien on the property until paid. If the owner refuses the payment plan, then the property is liened and fees and interest continue.

Counsel then follows Florida law through the notification process through foreclosure. We haven't had one actually go to foreclosure, but several owners have gotten very close with payoff on the day of filing.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our dues are paid monthly to a bank lock box. One can write a check or use a credit card ($5.00 service fee) or use electronic deposit.

2 months late and one gets an Invoice/reminder from the MC.

3 months late and one gets a letter from the MC threatening legal action.

4 months late and one get a registered letter from our attorney threatening legal action. The cost of this letter ($165 is paid by the HOA to the lawyer) is added to any amount owed.

5 months late and one gets a letter from the attorney saying a lien has been filed, credit bureaus will be notified, and and foreclosure is commencing. The cost of this action ($425 is paid by the HOA) is added to any amount due. We have not gone past this point.

In our BOD discussions, we would not consider a foreclosure unless there is little to no mortgage otherwise we do not see it as economically worth it.
MarioG1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Can credit bureaus be advised that a resident is delinquent on dues payment without a lien filed?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA has no right to one's social security #. So reporting it to the credit bureaus may have to do it differently. If you file a lien it stays with the property till the it is sold. It can not sell without being paid.

Former HOA President
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarioG1 on 04/19/2020 9:58 AM
Can credit bureaus be advised that a resident is delinquent on dues payment without a lien filed?

YES
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe one must be a "Member" of the Credit Bureau to post delinquent notices. One cannot just call the credit bureau and and say we have on owner behind in dues.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Uh, Melissa,

Do you think, then, your HOA will be paid with that lien, when the mortgage company/bank forecloses on a property worth $250k, with the mortgage being $350k?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/19/2020 4:03 PM
Uh, Melissa,

Do you think, then, your HOA will be paid with that lien, when the mortgage company/bank forecloses on a property worth $250k, with the mortgage being $350k?

George hit the nail on the head when it comes to foreclosures by the HOA. Is it worth it? I have heard "stop the bleeding" but the economics might well not be worth it.

Most people behind in HOA dues are more than likely behind in other payments as in debt up to their a$$. Our lawyer says a foreclosure will cost the HOA about $4K in upfront costs with no guarantee of a return. Foreclosure is rarely advantageous to the HOA especially when economically look closely at. Yes it might "feel good" but is it economically worth it? In most cases, I doubt it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is a risk you have to take in collections. It's always best to file a lien first and just keep it on than jump to foreclosure. Should have an established Lien/foreclosure policy in place. Ours is 6 month we lien and 1 year we CONSIDER foreclosure. Nothing wrong with keeping lien whether or not you will see the money. Atleast your HOA is adhering to a collections policy.

I have done a foreclosure. There has to be a certain set of criteria before would recommend doing one. It is NOT applicable for every situation. It is a "stop the bleeding" step in the end. The HOA does NOT want to own the home in the end either. That is NOT profitable or good idea financially. Not what people think or want to hear.

Do I recommend foreclosures? Not unless it gets rid of a member that continues NOT to pay intentionally. Otherwise liens/foreclosure are a punitive steps to take not a profitable one. Your just filling in a hole that is owed.

Former HOA President
CD6 (Texas)
Posts: 34
Posted:
After a 60 day notice of intent sent regular mail and a
30 day notice of intent sent Certified Mail (they are charged
the postal fee), when it comes time we charge their account $150 and
another Certified Mail fee.
That will cover the lien and the eventual lien release.
ChadH3 (Alabama)
Posts: 50
Posted:
Our community management company handles dues collection but our process is late fee applied after 30 days, send to collection department with our law firm after 90 days, if they don't collect or have a payment plan set up within 90 days, a lien is filed on the property.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
CD6, who is filing the lien and are you using an attorney?

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