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KristiK1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Historically, the ballot for the BOD vacancies have been listed by term and candidates chosen by the nominating committee.
Ex: 2 year term - 1 vacancy
________ Jane Doe
________John Doe

Ex: 1 year term - 1 vacancy
________ Jim Doe

This past year, candidates were not told which term they were running for and realized AT the annual meeting that the Nomcom essentially stacked the ballot for the candidate they wished to win to run in the unopposed slot. A motion was made and seconded at a recent board meeting to create a straight ballot this year that lists all candidates and the 2 who get the most votes are elected and assigned term length based on the number of votes. Some board members claim this is “illegal” based on our bylaws and that the terminology of “vacancy” really means “term”. This sounds ridiculous to me and nowhere in Black’s Law Dictionary or Webster’s does it define vacancy as term. The vote was postponed to get advice from our attorney. Our bylaws Read:
NOMINATION AND ELECTION TO EXECUTIVE BOARD
Nomination. Nomination for election to the Executive Board shall be made by a Nominating committee. Nominations for election to the Board may also be made from the floor at the annual meeting. The Nominating Committee shall consist of a Chairman, who shall be a member of the Executive Board, and two or more Members of the Association. The Nominating Committee shall be appointed by the Executive Board prior to each annual meeting until the close of the next annual meeting and such appointment shall be announced at each annual meeting. The Nomination Committee shall make as many nominations for election to the Executive Board as it shall in its discretion determine, but not less than the number of vacancies that are to be filled. Such nominations may be made from among members or non-members

Election. Election to the Executive Board shall be by secret written ballot. At such election the Members or their proxies may cast, in respect to each vacancy, as many votes as they are entitled to exercise under the provisions of the Declaration. The persons receiving the largest number of votes shall be elected. Cumulative voting is not permitted.

The desire of much of the membership and the board is to change the ballot to a straight ballot to prevent what has happened in the past where nomcom is able to “fix” the outcome of the election by ensuring their preferred candidate wins. My question is: do other associations have this language in their bylaws and if so, do you utilize a straight ballot where all candidates are listed and majority of votes are appointed?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
I am afraid you're understand of this process is incorrect.

The first set of Board members is elected in the matter you have stated. If a board of three, the two highest vote getters receive a two year term and the third place finishers serve the initial one year term,. Your Bylaws should state that terms are for two years. The first election get the association into the staggered term.

Year one- 2 for two year term
Year two- 1 for two year term
Year three- 2 for two year term

so and so forth.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Maybe this is why we have voter suppression and other sorts of foolishness when it comes to local state and national elections - people don't use their heads!

First, I don't understand the purpose of a nominating committee anyway. If you have one, it would seem all they have to do is check that a candidate is eligible to run. In most p!aces, that means the person is a homeowner and current in all assessments. Why, pray, has your community given these people so much power?

If the current board is going along with this, what you need is for you and your neighbors to come together, recall these people and rep!ace them ANd the committee members.

And perhaps talk about about amending the documents to revise the duty of the nominating committee of pitch it altogether. You can nominate people from the floor anyway, so what's the point of the committee?

I don't understand this business was about term vs. vacancy either - whoever's on this committee should grab a dictionary. Term refers to length of time during which some will do something, like serve on a HOA board - or jail (sometimes they re the same thing!). Vacancy means a spot is open that needs to be filled. In this case, you have one vacancy where someone is needed to replace someone else who's stepped down. The former me.her had a year left in the term so next year he/she can run for a full two year twrm. The other vacancy is for a full two year term.

I'm amazed the candidates didn't know which vacancy they were running for - or why they didn't ask. The proposal your board is considering is reasonable - those running to fill the term standoff here and those wanting g the full term stand over there. Everyone else vote for one person in each group and the tops vote getters in each group wins. The end and welcome to the board.

Or...just appoint some to finish the term and let him/her to for the spot at the appropriate time, this leaving the committee out of it and save the attorney fee.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Actually, we saw voter suppression in yesterday's national primary election, and this topic didn't cause that, not even close.

Nominating committees are to keep the "wrong" person(s) off the Board. You know the ones that aren't "team" players.

Having taken over a number of associations, you would be surprised at how many didn't know the rules, what their terms were and when who was up for election. Sad, but this is more common than it should be.
KristiK1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I totally agree, and a few “good ole boys” have had control over BOD, ARC and Nomcom for way too long! And that is exactly what we are trying to do is to make some positive changes and get them out. Nomcom is now trying to eliminate volunteers for ARC and choose them as well. This is all in an effort to keep their power. We simply want to end the monopoly and have a transparent process for voting that is fair to all. It’s a long story, but a lot of underhandedness went on just days before the election. The 2 running were told they were the only ones running and led to believe there was no need to choose a term. Lesson learned!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Though our docs call for a Nominating Committee, we disregard this as our docs allow nominations from the floor so a nominating committee is a waste of time and effort. No one knows who is running prior to the Annual Meeting. We do not have a Candidates night. You raise your hand and you are on the Ballot...........LOL

I do agree the term length should be decided by votes gotten. The more votes, the longer the term.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 03/04/2020 7:38 PM
I do agree the term length should be decided by votes gotten. The more votes, the longer the term.

That should be only for the initial turnover meeting, not subsequent elections.
KristiK1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hi Mark, I’m not sure I’m understanding your stance. We do have staggered terms. For instance, this year we will have a 2 year term and a 1 year term up for election. We will likely have at least 3 candidates for those 2 spots. I don’t see the advantage of the Nomcom choosing who gets to run for which term. Myself and much of the membership believe that all candidates should run as equals and the 2 with the most votes are chosen. Otherwise, the one running unopposed is a shoe-in even if the membership prefers the other 2 candidates. Three people (Nomcom) should not have the power to decide the outcome of the election for the entire HOA membership. I’m open to hearing your reasoning as to why you think a staggered ballot that is pre-determined by Nomcom is the best choice, as there may be an advantage I am not considering.

Though keep in mind, that some BOD members are relying on the argument that our bylaws prevent a straight ballot (or some may call it general plurality voting). The staggered terms are only mentioned in our bylaws as the process to choose the initial BOD so as to prevent the entire board from turning over at once. Hence, the request to pay for an attorney to interpret the language. However, many HOA’s have the same generic language but simply list all candidates and the highest votes win.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Will you please cite the exact wording of your Bylaws re: staggered terms, Kristi?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Kristi

Under the section of your Bylaws named Directors, what does it say about the length of term for a director?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
This is the exact wording of a HOA in Wilmington, NC as it possibly relates to your situation:

(iii) At the first election of the Board, the term of office of the three Directors receiving the highest plurality of votes shall be established at two (2) years, and the term of office of the
other two (2) Directors shall be established at one (1) year. Thereafter, as many Directors of the Association shall be elected at the annual meeting as there are regular terms of office of Directors expiring at such time, and the term of office of the Directors so elected at the annual meeting of the members each year shall be for two (2) years expiring at the second annual meeting following their election, and thereafter until their successors are duly elected and qualified, or until removed in the manner elsewhere provide or as may be provided by law.

IMHO, the ballot you presented to this forum is invalid.
KristiK1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Bylaws language regarding staggered terms:

Section 4. Term of Office. Not later than the termination of the period of Declarant control, the Members, at
a special meeting, shall elect two members of the Executive Board for a term of three years, two
members of the Executive Board for a term of two years, and one member of the Executive Board
for a term of one year or until the respective successors are properly chosen. These elections of
members shall be effective upon termination of Declarant control. Thereafter these terms shall
continue in effect to provide for staggered terms.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KristiK1 on 03/05/2020 11:27 AM
Bylaws language regarding staggered terms:

Section 4. Term of Office. Not later than the termination of the period of Declarant control, the Members, at
a special meeting, shall elect two members of the Executive Board for a term of three years, two
members of the Executive Board for a term of two years, and one member of the Executive Board
for a term of one year or until the respective successors are properly chosen. These elections of
members shall be effective upon termination of Declarant control. Thereafter these terms shall
continue in effect to provide for staggered terms.

Good luck!

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