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JamesR15 (Oregon)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hello, All.

I haven't posted for a while, things have been pretty calm.

Here is our situation: Our CC&R's have no penalties for non-compliance. I'm not referring to leaving your trash can out overnight, etc.
We have a lot owner that is wanting to put a duplex on two adjoining lots, facing each other, with a common driveway. He has been told his lots are too small. He replied that he already had the go ahead from the city, and wasn't asking for permission from the HOA.

I called the city planning department, and he had not given them the complete information. I agree, they should have looked it up beforehand, but we live in a small town with a small communtity to our HOA (19 lots total). The city now has a copy of our CC&R's and more information. I advised the lotowner that the HOA has final say over all construction and the city agrees.

Currently the only fee we have is a 25.00 reconnect fee if the residents water is shut off, or if they use too much water in a month.

My question is: Is there guidelines to a fee structure for an HOAto impose for non-compliance?
Right now, we rely on people's following the rules by their honor.

Please help. If someone in Oregon can assist, all the better.

Thank you all very much.

Happy Friday!

James
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By JamesR15 on 02/28/2020 11:00 AM
Here is our situation: Our CC&R's have no penalties for non-compliance.
First, a neighbor or neighbors can always send a series of demand letters and then, as needed, take the violator to court. For the best chances of success, the neighbor or neighbors must do so in a timely fashion. Second, is your HOA listed as a corporation with Oregon's Secretary of State? Or by any chance is this just a community with covenants? Third, it might be best to post the CC&Rs here, with identifying information redacted, as the moderators ask.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You would have to write your own policy on penalties and fines, and since your CCRs don't say how the Association is to enforce them, you'll probably have to add them to your documents, and that will likely require homeowner approval. If that's what you want to do, start talking to your association attorney - he or she may need to check state statutes to see if fining is even allowed.

In the meantime, homeowners can enforce the CCRs against each other, so a neighbor, or several, or the association itself could take legal action against the homeowner if he insists on building this thing. Doesn't mean you'll win - that'll be up to a judge and if you lose, you'll have to decide whether to appeal and deal with the additional time and expense that may require.

If the association wants to take action, it's best to speak to your attorney about its options. You might not want to pay the fee, but that's what lawyers are for. Besides, most of us aren't attorneys and what's true in my state may not be the case in yours (and I always say it's usually not a good idea to act on legal advice you get from the internet....)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
James

Does is the builder required to present plans to and ask the BOD's permission? If so, refuse the permission.
JamesR15 (Oregon)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Yes, he is, and no, they aren't!! I emailed the city and told them the plans aren't approved.

Thank you,

James
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By JamesR15 on 02/28/2020 2:06 PM
Yes, he is, and no, they aren't!! I emailed the city and told them the plans aren't approved.
The City does not have the power to enforce HOA covenants. Get the HOA attorney to send these jokers a cease and desist letter.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I agree - your timeline requires quick action.

Spend the money and stop the build in its tracks
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Welcome to living in a HOA. Many CC&R's/By-laws lack punishments. That is why a "Fining Schedule" has to be created for such things. A fining schedule lists the violations and then fine rate for each infraction. EVERY member needs to be aware of the Fining Schedule. It's an extra document to add.

Note your HOA's documents may or may not say you can fine at all. If it does say you can fine, it lacks any kind of definition. That is why you have to create the fining schedule within legal rates of your state. You can't just say $25 a day. There is a Max amount.

BTW: Our HOA never fined. Our HOA had the option that we could fix the violation and send you the bill. Did not pay that bill, then we could lien you for it. You can imagine this comes with it's own limitations. However, that option is in many HOA documents on how to enforce.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Typically, CC&Rs do not have actual penalties within them.
They do, typically, specify that the covenants can be enforced through the courts.

Considering that this is a home being built, I strongly recommend going through the courts and going now.
Start with your attorney.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
Hi James,

Any question you have about potential fines should begin with your state law and your HOA's governing documents.

Fines are intended to be reasonable ($25 - $50 per violation), but some HOAs have fined as much as $250 per violation. However there should also be a maximum amount a person can be fined for a violation. Once that occurs, the HOA may want to consider filing a lien.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/02/2020 2:05 AM
Typically, CC&Rs do not have actual penalties within them.
They do, typically, specify that the covenants can be enforced through the courts.

Considering that this is a home being built, I strongly recommend going through the courts and going now.
Start with your attorney.

That's how my HOA's covenants are. I agree with Tim. Waste no time. Monday's almost over.

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