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NpB (Arizona)
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What are some tips on how a Board member should deal with a passive aggressive, bully Board member who writes emails that are caustic, bossy, 99% negative and unnecessarily critical of everything other Board members write? Should the President have the HOA management company intervene or should other members just ignore this Board member and not respond to that person's emails since the bully Board member is looking to create conflict and an argument with almost every single email?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Bully wants conflict and controversy. Don't give them to him. You want to remove the emotional benefit he receives from having these things.

Instead make your interactions as dull and bland and uninteresting as possible. Replies should be brief and factual, ignoring the negative tone or other inflammatory comments. Think of yourself as a robot that doesn't understand anything other than facts.

Do not engage in back-and-forth arguments. One reply only if it's needed to correct misinformation that could make its way into official records. Otherwise let his ranting drop with a resounding thud into the silence.

Limit your interactions to writing, if possible, and copy all board members on everything if the topic is something they should know about.

Do this consistently, and eventually he'll go after targets that respond the way he wants them to. It would really help if the other board members take the same approach, but even if they don't, you'll remove yourself from the line of fire.

(We use the same approach with our homeowners who are chronic complainers or bullies, and it works. After about a year or so, our vocational dissidents gave up since they weren't getting the reactions they wanted.)

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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This is where the old "It's better people THINK your an idiot than open up your mouth and prove it". We simply exposed and kept everything open. They want to accuse you of "hiding" stuff. Well if you put a policy in place you read out loud at every meeting and discuss openly amongst board, then what? Mind you they can't say anything but sit there and watch while the board discusses and makes it's decisions. We also didn't mind listening to the input of other members so we could gauge if it's a group thing or individual.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Agree that complete transparency of communications and positions is the key.

Everyone will know, then, what the PA Board member is doing and saying.

Just look at them and say - "thanks, PAB, interesting input." And, then vote. And, then move on to the next topic.
AugustinD
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Posted By CathyA3 on 02/28/2020 5:06 AM
Instead make your interactions as dull and bland and uninteresting as possible. Replies should be brief and factual, ignoring the negative tone or other inflammatory comments. Think of yourself as a robot that doesn't understand anything other than facts.
Do the above, with emphasis on sticking with facts and leaving all emotion out. I find doing this also brings the person responding more peace in the coming hours and days.

One of my favorite lines when someone badgers is, "Asked and answered" (assuming one has truly already responded).
KerryL1 (California)
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NpB's question is about emails this guy sends outside of meetings. Since AZ is an open meeting state with a lot of protections against board secrecy, there should not be a lot of email exchanges between meetings. Discussions & decisions should take place only at meetings.

You also have a property manager handling day-to-day matters. why are there a lot of emails from directors?

So I think one approach might be a reply that says--please submit this topic for the next open meeting with background and supporting materials.

I'd include Cathy's suggestions too.
MarkW18
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Posted By NpB on 02/28/2020 12:45 AM
or should other members just ignore this Board member and not respond to that person's emails since the bully Board member is looking to create conflict and an argument with almost every single email?

You answered your own question.
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/28/2020 8:48 AM
NpB's question is about emails this guy sends outside of meetings. Since AZ is an open meeting state with a lot of protections against board secrecy, there should not be a lot of email exchanges between meetings. Discussions & decisions should take place only at meetings.

You also have a property manager handling day-to-day matters. why are there a lot of emails from directors?

So I think one approach might be a reply that says--please submit this topic for the next open meeting with background and supporting materials.

I'd include Cathy's suggestions too.

The emails are primarily ideologically opinionated rants and complaints about the community initiated by the bully Board member. I will take your suggestions not to respond.
ND (PA)
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If enough other Board Members agree that this bully's correspondence is intentionally toxic, combative, and/or antagonistic, then someone needs to put the bully in their place. If President doesn't have enough backbone to do so, then any other Board Member could certainly step up and confront the bully. (I don't suggest it be you though if you are the primary target of the bullying.) If you let it continue unchecked, the bullying may go away in time, but there could be significant damage done in the meantime. The bully may be the only one left . . . which is also what you don't want.

Certainly don't go back and forth on silly points (that's also what the bully wants), but a one-time "knock it off, you're wasting everyone's time, creating conflict where it doesn't need to exist, and damaging the Board/HOA" seems appropriate. But only if other Board Members agree. If it's just you that feels this way, perhaps there is a reason for that.

All that said, is most of the supposed bullying directed at you mainly? Not to offend . . . but you come here often with hypothetical scenarios, abstract thinking, molehills turned to mountains, and many other things/issues ongoing within your HOA. I imagine what we see is only a fraction of correspondence that goes on between you, your Board/Membership, and your Management. There are entirely too many issues and too much trying to be tackled simultaneously that your HOA sounds like a complete fiasco. While I think your overall intentions are good, you could very likely be making yourself a target of the bullying because you can be a bit overboard at times. Again, I don't mean to offend, just an outsider's perspective on the tiny bit that I can see.

NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By ND on 02/28/2020 9:20 AM
If enough other Board Members agree that this bully's correspondence is intentionally toxic, combative, and/or antagonistic, then someone needs to put the bully in their place. If President doesn't have enough backbone to do so, then any other Board Member could certainly step up and confront the bully. (I don't suggest it be you though if you are the primary target of the bullying.) If you let it continue unchecked, the bullying may go away in time, but there could be significant damage done in the meantime. The bully may be the only one left . . . which is also what you don't want.

Certainly don't go back and forth on silly points (that's also what the bully wants), but a one-time "knock it off, you're wasting everyone's time, creating conflict where it doesn't need to exist, and damaging the Board/HOA" seems appropriate. But only if other Board Members agree. If it's just you that feels this way, perhaps there is a reason for that.

All that said, is most of the supposed bullying directed at you mainly? Not to offend . . . but you come here often with hypothetical scenarios, abstract thinking, molehills turned to mountains, and many other things/issues ongoing within your HOA. I imagine what we see is only a fraction of correspondence that goes on between you, your Board/Membership, and your Management. There are entirely too many issues and too much trying to be tackled simultaneously that your HOA sounds like a complete fiasco. While I think your overall intentions are good, you could very likely be making yourself a target of the bullying because you can be a bit overboard at times. Again, I don't mean to offend, just an outsider's perspective on the tiny bit that I can see.


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Passive aggressive behavior is directed at all Board members past and present and even outside vendors.

What is wrong with coming here and asking for advice on hypothetical situations? Yes, you are clairvoyant in that there is ideological and personal tension among a few with an overwhelmingly apathetic membership.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By NpB on 02/28/2020 12:45 AM
What are some tips on how a Board member should deal with a passive aggressive, bully Board member who writes emails that are caustic, bossy, 99% negative and unnecessarily critical of everything other Board members write? Should the President have the HOA management company intervene or should other members just ignore this Board member and not respond to that person's emails since the bully Board member is looking to create conflict and an argument with almost every single email?

The HOA management company is not your mommy or daddy. If you or other members have a problem with this guy and feel it needs to be addressed then deal with it directly yourselves. We had a problem with one of our directors and I called a special meeting where we could talk about the issues face to face. All of us were respectful but blunt and 10 minutes into the meeting he resigned and stormed off. During my professional career I found a lot of bullies could not take criticism and when confronted and stood up to they would often back off or leave. If you or the rest of the Board don't want to address the issue then do what others have suggested and ignore him.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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NpB

Ignore any Emails he sends. Refuse to discuss any BOD business, verbal or otherwise, with him outside of a BOD Meeting.

Discreetly/privately inform the other BOD Members how you are handling it and hope they do the same.
ND (PA)
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Posted By NpB on 02/28/2020 9:51 AM
Posted By ND on 02/28/2020 9:20 AM
If enough other Board Members agree that this bully's correspondence is intentionally toxic, combative, and/or antagonistic, then someone needs to put the bully in their place. If President doesn't have enough backbone to do so, then any other Board Member could certainly step up and confront the bully. (I don't suggest it be you though if you are the primary target of the bullying.) If you let it continue unchecked, the bullying may go away in time, but there could be significant damage done in the meantime. The bully may be the only one left . . . which is also what you don't want.

Certainly don't go back and forth on silly points (that's also what the bully wants), but a one-time "knock it off, you're wasting everyone's time, creating conflict where it doesn't need to exist, and damaging the Board/HOA" seems appropriate. But only if other Board Members agree. If it's just you that feels this way, perhaps there is a reason for that.

All that said, is most of the supposed bullying directed at you mainly? Not to offend . . . but you come here often with hypothetical scenarios, abstract thinking, molehills turned to mountains, and many other things/issues ongoing within your HOA. I imagine what we see is only a fraction of correspondence that goes on between you, your Board/Membership, and your Management. There are entirely too many issues and too much trying to be tackled simultaneously that your HOA sounds like a complete fiasco. While I think your overall intentions are good, you could very likely be making yourself a target of the bullying because you can be a bit overboard at times. Again, I don't mean to offend, just an outsider's perspective on the tiny bit that I can see.



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Passive aggressive behavior is directed at all Board members past and present and even outside vendors.

What is wrong with coming here and asking for advice on hypothetical situations? Yes, you are clairvoyant in that there is ideological and personal tension among a few with an overwhelmingly apathetic membership.

If directed at numerous people and even outside vendors (potentially damaging essential/needed relationships), then I stand by my thoughts on how you and your Board should proceed. Bully needs to be confronted and their actions put to a stop. (Similarly to a bully in school . . . you don't ignore them, hope they go away, or hope they find someone else to pick on . . . they are called out and penalized for their actions, and if things continue or worsen, they are again penalized and potentially expelled . . . certainly a possible thing for your Board to do as well.)

Certainly nothing wrong with coming here and asking for advice on hypotheticals. I'm trying to point out that you do it often and the hypotheticals are sometimes far-fetched extrapolations of what is even remotely likely to occur. And you post topics/questions often enough (based largely on correspondence/issues going on between you, your Board, and Mgm't) that I can only assume your correspondence within your HOA is significantly greater to the point that it's too much for others to deal with and you rub people the wrong way . . . even if intentions overall are honorable.

I should have prefaced my prior post with the fact that when I was a Board Member, I operated somewhat similarly to you and with a Board/Membership that was also similar. It took several times of people telling me the same things that I'm telling you for me to realize that regardless of how much I cared, how much I did, and how much I tried to accomplish, my methods for doing so weren't shared/appreciated by most other Board Members and most things fell on deaf ears because I was perceived a certain way. I was too over the top. Others didn't share my passion and commitment. And everyone, myself included, became frustrated.
JeffT2 (Iowa)
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This is passive aggressive?

Dictionary, pasĀ·sive-agĀ·gresĀ·sive, adjective:

of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By JeffT2 on 02/28/2020 10:23 AM
This is passive aggressive?

Dictionary, pasĀ·sive-agĀ·gresĀ·sive, adjective:

of or denoting a type of behavior or personality characterized by indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, pouting, or misplacing important materials.

True. However, colloquially passive aggressive means verbal or non verbal (but never physical) behavior meant to annoy, demean or incite conflict.
MarshallT (New York)
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That is very frustrating and counterproductive.

It may be possible for the board to knock the board member down from an officer to a director position, depending on your governing documents. Otherwise, the rest of the members should do their best not to engage the passive aggressive member. At the end of the day, they only have one vote.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By ND on 02/28/2020 9:20 AM
If enough other Board Members agree that this bully's correspondence is intentionally toxic, combative, and/or antagonistic, then someone needs to put the bully in their place.

I think that's incorrect. It's incumbent on the board to ignore the guy's rants completely.
NpB (Arizona)
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How do you communicate to other members this Board member's bully behavior without crossing the line into discussing Board business? For exampke, if I were to tell a neighbor do not vote for it would you sign a petition to recall the bully, how would you generically respond to "why"?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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This is YOUR why not anyone else's. Want to recall someone because of their behavior in your opinion, then you have to let others SEE or experience it for themselves. People like this if truly "bully's" show off to prove it to others. This is still a group decision to remove not just one person's opinion. It can come off as YOU being the passive aggressive one by your actions.

Former HOA President
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/29/2020 6:47 AM
This is YOUR why not anyone else's. Want to recall someone because of their behavior in your opinion, then you have to let others SEE or experience it for themselves. People like this if truly "bully's" show off to prove it to others. This is still a group decision to remove not just one person's opinion. It can come off as YOU being the passive aggressive one by your actions.

On average, under 10% of the membership (other than Board members) attends meetings, so they overwhelmingly apathetic membership does not know the internal antagonistic behavior of this person.
AugustinD
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Posted By NpB on 02/29/2020 8:16 AM
On average, under 10% of the membership (other than Board members) attends meetings, so they overwhelmingly apathetic membership does not know the internal antagonistic behavior of this person.
Then leave it be. I would be unhappy with a board member or board that advertised inflammatory email communications. This is an opportunity for the offended board members to hone their skills as directors. Do as folks here said, including informing the jerk to save xyz for the next meeting; leaving the decision of whether to add an item to the agenda to either the President or a board vote (as your gov docs allow); responding once briefly with only facts; ignoring repetitive rants.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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So it's your job to tell them? It will NOT come out well or how you expect. You can't tell someone how bad a person is. They are going to want to see it for themselves or think you have a personal agenda. No matter how "right" you are.

Our Ex-president was about as scumbag as they come. Ripping off elderly people, the HOA, and anyone he ever did business with. He was a liar, manipulator, alcoholic with blackouts, and general scum of the earth.

Now hearing all of this, would you sign a petition to get rid of him? You haven't met the guy. Which BTW most of the membership appreciated him and hired him. Which he did not have a license or insured. His paint company he did form water down the cheap paint and used a sprayer. Left bad paint job after. Plus he'd find "extra" expenses and add them to the bill.

When I quit being President and moved, he went around and formed a mutiny against me. The lies were flying, had police visit me, got pulled into court, and accused of stealing HOA records... All of which was not true or my responsibility.

It eventually came out that I was completely innocent and NOTHING he said was even remotely true. Members came up to me for years later and apologized to me for it all. My response? It wasn't to go around and exposing this guy for what he was or does. It was to keep MY head held up high and NOT tread in his waters. I moved, got out, and lived my life.

You get enough people who see the lies or how things are working they will come to you. No need to go to them. Once garbage gets exposed the smell is hard to hide and best to get rid of by a better bag of people...

Former HOA President
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/29/2020 8:48 AM
So it's your job to tell them? It will NOT come out well or how you expect. You can't tell someone how bad a person is. They are going to want to see it for themselves or think you have a personal agenda. No matter how "right" you are.

Our Ex-president was about as scumbag as they come. Ripping off elderly people, the HOA, and anyone he ever did business with. He was a liar, manipulator, alcoholic with blackouts, and general scum of the earth.

Now hearing all of this, would you sign a petition to get rid of him? You haven't met the guy. Which BTW most of the membership appreciated him and hired him. Which he did not have a license or insured. His paint company he did form water down the cheap paint and used a sprayer. Left bad paint job after. Plus he'd find "extra" expenses and add them to the bill.

When I quit being President and moved, he went around and formed a mutiny against me. The lies were flying, had police visit me, got pulled into court, and accused of stealing HOA records... All of which was not true or my responsibility.

It eventually came out that I was completely innocent and NOTHING he said was even remotely true. Members came up to me for years later and apologized to me for it all. My response? It wasn't to go around and exposing this guy for what he was or does. It was to keep MY head held up high and NOT tread in his waters. I moved, got out, and lived my life.

You get enough people who see the lies or how things are working they will come to you. No need to go to them. Once garbage gets exposed the smell is hard to hide and best to get rid of by a better bag of people...

Thank you for sharing your perspective. Seems like a uphill battle trying to persuade people if they don't attend meetings or take an interest in the community and rely solely on an impressive candidate information sheet.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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I keep hearing about apathy. Has it ever occured to some that the lack of owner participation is they are happy with the way things are so they choose not to get involved?

Many first timers get on the BOD as they have a issue/agenda. All well and fine if they stay involved and participate.

It has been a few years since we had more people running for the BOD than we had open seats. For the last few years we have had to "draft" an owner(s) attending the Annual Meeting.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Our well advertised Board meeting on Monday drew board members, one committee member and one member of our 314 home community.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/29/2020 12:19 PM
Our well advertised Board meeting on Monday drew board members, one committee member and one member of our 314 home community.

A group of Happy Campers........LOL
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Agreed. If there isn't anything making owner's upset or interested in their HOA, it doesn't mean a bad thing. They may very well trust those who are already there. My HOA once I finally got the Ex-President out of board attendance was minimal. I had more than one person tell me, now that your President we don't feel the need to attend. They knew I was open and communicated everything. Also saw I took action and made things look/be better. Plus sales were hot.

So those ASSUMPTIONS are your own not necessarily anyone else's.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
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NpB wrote: "On average, under 10% of the membership (other than Board members) attends meetings, so they overwhelmingly apathetic membership does not know the internal antagonistic behavior of this person."

But, NpB, you wrote this behavior takes place in emails to directors, not at meetings. Which is it? Both. If at meetings, please give examples.

As others have said, do not spread gossip about this guy's behavior. Recall is pretty extreme just because he's been allowed to bully a few. This is a problem for the board to handle in ways suggested above.

Though NOT the topic of this thread, 10% attendance at open meetings is probably not uncommon. The word "apathy" is tossed around a lot on this site, but our meetings too, see about 10-15% of households attending, and many individual who do attend serve on our committees. We do, however, have about 25% of owners offsite.

Open board meeting attendance might be a good topic for someone to initiate.
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/29/2020 1:50 PM

NpB wrote: "On average, under 10% of the membership (other than Board members) attends meetings, so they overwhelmingly apathetic membership does not know the internal antagonistic behavior of this person."

But, NpB, you wrote this behavior takes place in emails to directors, not at meetings. Which is it? Both. If at meetings, please give examples.

As others have said, do not spread gossip about this guy's behavior. Recall is pretty extreme just because he's been allowed to bully a few. This is a problem for the board to handle in ways suggested above.

Though NOT the topic of this thread, 10% attendance at open meetings is probably not uncommon. The word "apathy" is tossed around a lot on this site, but our meetings too, see about 10-15% of households attending, and many individual who do attend serve on our committees. We do, however, have about 25% of owners offsite.

Open board meeting attendance might be a good topic for someone to initiate.

The behavior takes place primarily in emails to other directors, which makes it more difficult to communicate this person' non-team player attitude to the general membership. Other than Board members, less than 10% of the membership is present at Board meetings, often there are zero.
KerryL1 (California)
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I think I'm wondering why, NpB, you feel the need to convey this person's crass behavior to the membership?
BenA2 (Texas)
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I would definitely not get the manager or management company in the middle of it. They have zero authority over board members and it would be inappropriate to get them involved.
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/29/2020 3:46 PM
I think I'm wondering why, NpB, you feel the need to convey this person's crass behavior to the membership?

Would you wish for the generally apathetic and ignorant membership to vote for incompatible people together on a Board? A Board works better and can accomplish more when there is less internal verbal friction.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Can this apply to my real job as well?

Former HOA President
AugustinD
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Posted By NpB on 02/29/2020 8:33 PM
Would you wish for the generally apathetic and ignorant membership to vote for incompatible people together on a Board? A Board works better and can accomplish more when there is less internal verbal friction.
First, in my view and as others have said, sometimes seeming apathy is actually just people being satisfied with the status quo. Second, it appears you want to focus on undoing the will of the membership (when it elected this person as a director). Disregarding what the membership lawfully and properly voted disappoints.

Is it so hard to ignore this person's email rants? Is it really not possible to attend to the infrastructure and financial needs of the HOA with this person on the board?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 03/01/2020 7:10 AM
Posted By NpB on 02/29/2020 8:33 PM
Would you wish for the generally apathetic and ignorant membership to vote for incompatible people together on a Board? A Board works better and can accomplish more when there is less internal verbal friction.
First, in my view and as others have said, sometimes seeming apathy is actually just people being satisfied with the status quo. Second, it appears you want to focus on undoing the will of the membership (when it elected this person as a director). Disregarding what the membership lawfully and properly voted disappoints.

Is it so hard to ignore this person's email rants? Is it really not possible to attend to the infrastructure and financial needs of the HOA with this person on the board?

The key to leadership is self-control. So easy to say, so hard to do.

(Control your sails, or be controlled by the wind. - Cathy's Rules for Life #2)
(The way you shout at the mountain is the way the echo comes back. - my mom)
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 02/28/2020 5:06 AM
Bully wants conflict and controversy. Don't give them to him. You want to remove the emotional benefit he receives from having these things.

Instead make your interactions as dull and bland and uninteresting as possible. Replies should be brief and factual, ignoring the negative tone or other inflammatory comments. Think of yourself as a robot that doesn't understand anything other than facts.

Do not engage in back-and-forth arguments. One reply only if it's needed to correct misinformation that could make its way into official records. Otherwise let his ranting drop with a resounding thud into the silence.

Limit your interactions to writing, if possible, and copy all board members on everything if the topic is something they should know about.

Do this consistently, and eventually he'll go after targets that respond the way he wants them to. It would really help if the other board members take the same approach, but even if they don't, you'll remove yourself from the line of fire.

(We use the same approach with our homeowners who are chronic complainers or bullies, and it works. After about a year or so, our vocational dissidents gave up since they weren't getting the reactions they wanted.)


Cathy,

This is excellent advice from top to bottom! Having personally dealt w/ this type of situation (and handled it correctly and incorrectly), it works. Using brief communication, steeped in facts, and only addressing gossip that threatens to find its way into official HOA communication or business will make a passive-aggressive member back down or, at least, diminish their influence.

If you fight, they stick around. Counteract the incorrect gossip and you'll expose passive-aggressiveness.
NpB (Arizona)
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Posted By AugustinD on 03/01/2020 7:10 AM
Posted By NpB on 02/29/2020 8:33 PM
Would you wish for the generally apathetic and ignorant membership to vote for incompatible people together on a Board? A Board works better and can accomplish more when there is less internal verbal friction.
First, in my view and as others have said, sometimes seeming apathy is actually just people being satisfied with the status quo. Second, it appears you want to focus on undoing the will of the membership (when it elected this person as a director). Disregarding what the membership lawfully and properly voted disappoints.

Is it so hard to ignore this person's email rants? Is it really not possible to attend to the infrastructure and financial needs of the HOA with this person on the board?

Not difficult to ignore the rants, but frustrating to deal with this person taking other Board members for granted and then criticizing their performance or management of the task. It's akin to baking a cake for a neighbors' birthday (something completely voluntary and optional) and then the recipient criticizing the quality or taste of the cake.

The membership does vote, but since less than 10% (other than Board members) and often zero attend meetings, they do not know some of the unpopular ideas the person proffers at Board meetings and of course the passive aggressive nature of the emails. TI believe they primarily base their decisions on an impressive candidate information sheet that most often reveals little about ideology. I initiated a post of that topic on this forum in the past. Since emails can't be revealed to the membership, I originally asked how to communicate to the membership a generic but plausible reason why not to vote for this person in the future.

KerryL1 (California)
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Our HOA voted out three incumbents who sought reelection last October. The way we did it was positive not negative campaigning. We promoted two other candidates (including me. I'd taken a year off after long service), their ideas and goals in emails and letters to owners (25% are absentee owners). We two plus a 3rd--a newbie, who'd been active on committees--were elected.

We wrote nothing negative about any of the three incumbents or of them as a group. We held a candidates night and all three stumbled and hemmed & hawed about a controversial topic here. In our high rise HOA of 200+ about 20+% attended.

When does Mr. Nasty run again?? Is there any reason why you & one or two other board members cannot campaign in a positive way for other candidates when he runs again?

Mr. Nasty presents "unpopular ideas" at board meetings?? I'd say that's better than no ideas! We've had directors who never do anything except second motions, so ANY ideas from them would've been good!

And, aren't his "ideas" motions?? If so, they certainly are in the minutes, which, perhaps Owners DO read. Can you give examples of his "unpopular ideas?"

GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 03/02/2020 11:30 AM
Our HOA voted out three incumbents who sought reelection last October. The way we did it was positive not negative campaigning. We promoted two other candidates (including me. I'd taken a year off after long service), their ideas and goals in emails and letters to owners (25% are absentee owners). We two plus a 3rd--a newbie, who'd been active on committees--were elected.

We wrote nothing negative about any of the three incumbents or of them as a group. We held a candidates night and all three stumbled and hemmed & hawed about a controversial topic here. In our high rise HOA of 200+ about 20+% attended.

Most impressive that you were able to carry that off, Kerry. Bravo.

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