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JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
I can't ask for an answer ... and I am not. 

Rather I'm asking what may occur in YOUR organizations hoping that with your feedback I will be able to logically determine what direction to proceed in my organization.

1500+ member self-governing WV not for profit corporation.

In 2018 a married member was disqualified from running for the Board.  One thing led to another and that member became involved in litigation with the corporation.

In 2019, still locked in litigation the wife of this member was nominated for a board seat.  The wife was disqualified because her husband was in the ongoing litigation.

In 2020 the litigation continues.

Within a month the nomination process for the 2020 board election begins and the wife will again be nominated.

If this was ongoing in your organization ...  Do you have any suggestions?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
That wouldn't happen in my HOA because our governing documents do not prohibit husbands and wives from serving on the board at the same time. Neither do the state statutes.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you on the board, JohnK?

Can you tell us what passages inner governing documents, perhaps your bylaws, allowed th disqualification of either member of this couple?

Who disqualified them and and how,, procedurally, were they disqualified?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Are they paying their dues? Litigation does not equal bad standing. Plus many HOA's go with only the owner on title are members. Are they listed as married couple?

I see no reason why wife can not run. It is known there is litigation going on. So let the chips fall where they may.

Former HOA President
PaulJ6
Posts: 990
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 3:22 PM
Are you on the board, JohnK?

Can you tell us what passages inner governing documents, perhaps your bylaws, allowed th disqualification of either member of this couple?

Who disqualified them and and how,, procedurally, were they disqualified?

Agreed. I would be surprised if there was a basis in the governing documents for this type of disqualification.

The board should just set up a special committee, excluding the spouse, to manage the litigation.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
PaulJ6 nailed it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Yes, good point PaulJ. It'd be an executive committee and the wife wouldn't be allowed to attend their meetings on the litigation topic. Pretty simple.

But I'd still like JohnK tells how she was disqualified ---the process & by whom?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Agree with Kerry - the Board member would not be allowed to sit in executive session related to that issue.

I would probably ask HOA counsel if there is something they can find that would allow the Board to not seat the spouse - don't have any idea what this would be, but I don't think I would want to sit across the table from the spouse of someone suing the association.
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 3:22 PM
Are you on the board, JohnK?

Can you tell us what passages inner governing documents, perhaps your bylaws, allowed th disqualification of either member of this couple?

Who disqualified them and and how,, procedurally, were they disqualified?

https://youtu.be/DUSNDzX-lYg
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Please copy and paste into your browser https://youtu.be/DUSNDzX-lYg
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
In my community, it's one vote per unit, so if the unit's co-owned and all assessments are current, one or the other (but not both) could run for a seat on the board. That said, the optics are beyond bad - how can you sit on the board of directors of an organization when your spouse is also suing the same association?

For board elections, homeowners can attend the meeting and nominate themselves or someone else to run, or they can vote for whoever else happens to be running. If they send in proxies, they can list the name of the person they'd like to nominate or the person who will show up and cast a vote on their behalf. OR authorize the board president to case a vote on their behalf. Since the proxy is also used to establish quorum, the majority of our homeowners use it for that purpose only and don't nominate anyone.

If the wife gets nominated, the best you can do is express concerns about her serving (in front of everyone) and ask her how she will ensure objectivity when voting on association issues, keeping executive session issues confidential from anyone, including her husband - and if she understands and accepts that when the litigation is discussed, she must refrain from participating in the discussion (meaning leaving the room) and voting on any motions related to the issue. The homeowners will have to listen to the responses and decide if they want her on there. If she winds up on the board, you may have to get her to sign some sort of memo of understanding or non-disclosure agreement to this effect.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 5:48 PM
Yes, good point PaulJ. It'd be an executive committee and the wife wouldn't be allowed to attend their meetings on the litigation topic. Pretty simple.

But I'd still like JohnK tells how she was disqualified ---the process & by whom?

Unorthodox but answers here https://youtu.be/DUSNDzX-lYg

Can't hyperlink ... please copy and paste into your browser https://youtu.be/DUSNDzX-lYg
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
John,

You need to tell us.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
I have seen a number of election rules that will disqualify someone if they are in the process of suing their HOA.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I agree with everyone who said that the wife could only be disqualified if the governing documents provided a basis for doing so.

That said, I have concerns about her serving on the board. Aside from the fact that she stands to benefit - or not - depending on the outcome of the husband's suit, the fact that he is suing has to color her views on the HOA itself no matter how much she may try to be impartial.

I also think the optics are bad, as demonstrated by the fact that this question even came up. HOA boards are often the subject of criticism and worse, some of it well deserved. Why do anything that could create even more doubt about the board's decisions?

If I were serving on that HOA's board, I would not vote to appoint the wife to an unfilled position on the board or to a committee. If the owners vote for her, then so be it - they get to live with the results of their vote.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe our Bylaws say one is not eligible to be on the BOD if they are involved in any legal action against the HOA. That said, it does not stop their spouse from running but the spouse would have to recuse themselves from any conversations/votes concerning the issue. That also said, I would not vote for the person because of possible issues.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Disclosure of a lawsuit against a HOA or even a Corporation in general has to be disclosed to it's fellow members. So it should not be a secret about the lawsuit to anyone. It even has to be disclosed on the PUD form with certain loans programs.

The details of the lawsuit not necessarily need to be disclosed just that there is one. It should not disqualify anyone even the one with the lawsuit of running for the board. It does not make them in "bad standing". It's unpaid dues that do. I would almost say that denying someone from running for the board that is in "good standing" could make the HOA subject to yet another lawsuit of discrimination. Unless she is running to help with the lawsuit case by showing she was denied.

Former HOA President
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 3:22 PM
Are you on the board, JohnK?

Can you tell us what passages inner governing documents, perhaps your bylaws, allowed th disqualification of either member of this couple?

Who disqualified them and and how,, procedurally, were they disqualified?

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/21/2020 3:55 PM
Are they paying their dues? Litigation does not equal bad standing. Plus many HOA's go with only the owner on title are members. Are they listed as married couple?

I see no reason why wife can not run. It is known there is litigation going on. So let the chips fall where they may.

Yes dues paid

Yes both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulJ6 on 02/21/2020 4:26 PM
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 3:22 PM
Are you on the board, JohnK?

Can you tell us what passages inner governing documents, perhaps your bylaws, allowed th disqualification of either member of this couple?

Who disqualified them and and how,, procedurally, were they disqualified?


Agreed. I would be surprised if there was a basis in the governing documents for this type of disqualification.

The board should just set up a special committee, excluding the spouse, to manage the litigation.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 5:48 PM
Yes, good point PaulJ. It'd be an executive committee and the wife wouldn't be allowed to attend their meetings on the litigation topic. Pretty simple.

But I'd still like JohnK tells how she was disqualified ---the process & by whom?

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 02/21/2020 8:03 PM
In my community, it's one vote per unit, so if the unit's co-owned and all assessments are current, one or the other (but not both) could run for a seat on the board. That said, the optics are beyond bad - how can you sit on the board of directors of an organization when your spouse is also suing the same association?

For board elections, homeowners can attend the meeting and nominate themselves or someone else to run, or they can vote for whoever else happens to be running. If they send in proxies, they can list the name of the person they'd like to nominate or the person who will show up and cast a vote on their behalf. OR authorize the board president to case a vote on their behalf. Since the proxy is also used to establish quorum, the majority of our homeowners use it for that purpose only and don't nominate anyone.

If the wife gets nominated, the best you can do is express concerns about her serving (in front of everyone) and ask her how she will ensure objectivity when voting on association issues, keeping executive session issues confidential from anyone, including her husband - and if she understands and accepts that when the litigation is discussed, she must refrain from participating in the discussion (meaning leaving the room) and voting on any motions related to the issue. The homeowners will have to listen to the responses and decide if they want her on there. If she winds up on the board, you may have to get her to sign some sort of memo of understanding or non-disclosure agreement to this effect.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnK40 on 02/21/2020 8:05 PM
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/21/2020 5:48 PM
Yes, good point PaulJ. It'd be an executive committee and the wife wouldn't be allowed to attend their meetings on the litigation topic. Pretty simple.

But I'd still like JohnK tells how she was disqualified ---the process & by whom?


Unorthodox but answers here https://youtu.be/DUSNDzX-lYg

Can't hyperlink ... please copy and paste into your browser https://youtu.be/DUSNDzX-lYg

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/21/2020 8:44 PM
John,

You need to tell us.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkW18 on 02/21/2020 9:15 PM
I have seen a number of election rules that will disqualify someone if they are in the process of suing their HOA.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/22/2020 9:50 AM
I believe our Bylaws say one is not eligible to be on the BOD if they are involved in any legal action against the HOA. That said, it does not stop their spouse from running but the spouse would have to recuse themselves from any conversations/votes concerning the issue. That also said, I would not vote for the person because of possible issues.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/22/2020 9:50 AM
I believe our Bylaws say one is not eligible to be on the BOD if they are involved in any legal action against the HOA. That said, it does not stop their spouse from running but the spouse would have to recuse themselves from any conversations/votes concerning the issue. That also said, I would not vote for the person because of possible issues.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/22/2020 10:32 AM
Disclosure of a lawsuit against a HOA or even a Corporation in general has to be disclosed to it's fellow members. So it should not be a secret about the lawsuit to anyone. It even has to be disclosed on the PUD form with certain loans programs.

The details of the lawsuit not necessarily need to be disclosed just that there is one. It should not disqualify anyone even the one with the lawsuit of running for the board. It does not make them in "bad standing". It's unpaid dues that do. I would almost say that denying someone from running for the board that is in "good standing" could make the HOA subject to yet another lawsuit of discrimination. Unless she is running to help with the lawsuit case by showing she was denied.

Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Quote:
Posted By JohnK40 on 02/22/2020 11:12 AM
If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?
Letter to the Board, cc the HOA attorney reading something like the following:

----------------------
Dear HOA Board,

The HOA governing documents and state law are both clear that I meet the requirements for a seat on the HOA board of directors. Please place my name on the ballot as a candidate alongside all other candidates. If the board does not intend to permit my candidacy, please let me know by March 7, 2020.

Thank you for your assistance,

[name]
Member, ___ HOA
[address, email, phone]
--------------------------

When is the election? What is the deadline for submitting one's name to be a candidate?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You know, I get the feeling you already know how this needs to be addressed, but are looking for a certain answer - or are unwilling or afraid to take action. For one thing, I still don't see where you've explained how your documents look at co-owners of a home. Can both serve on the board at the same time or not? Do your documents say people who are involved in current litigation against the HOA are ineligible to serve on the board? Can they still vote even if the litigation is ongoing? What's so hard about answering those questions?

If your documents are silent on all this, what do YOU think about it? Are YOU comfortable with having someone on the board whose spouse is suing the association for whatever reason? Have YOU or anyone else asked her to respond to what appears to be a MAJOR conflict of interest? Have YOU or anyone else asked her not to run because of the optics and/or she hasn't said (or refused to) how she will address this issue if she does wind up on the board (whether it's by default or people elect her?)

Unless someone else has another approach to this, it would appear someone needs to stand up and ask these questions before the vote is taken and she winds up on the board. If you can't or don't want to, you need to find someone who will and then let the homeowners decide.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Well, JohnK refuses to post the sentences form his bylaws about this topic.

But...why the heck is the president making the decision about who may or may not run for the director slot? Don't your bylaws, JohnK, say that the board makes decisions with their votes at board meetings?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
All the advice on this forum will not change the fact that UNTIL someone stands up to dictatorial rule you are beating your head against the all. As I have found out on this forum, facts don't matter to some people.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
There's another possibility I just thought of - could it be John is the one who's suing the association and his wife wants to be on the Board? Perhaps other board members (and possibly other neighbors) have objected because of some of the things already mentioned in this discussion, and he's looking for a response the others might accept.

Mark's also correct that at some point people have to be willing to stand up for what's right. You can get all the advice in the world, but until you use it, they're only words. I've always said speaking truth to power isn't easy - a simple look at history will demonstrate that. Yet, that's the ONLY way things change. It doesn't happen overnight, there will be some lost battles along the way and you may not be the one who actually finished. But this is your home and in the end, no one will ever care about it more than you. It's just a matter of deciding what you can live with, what your breaking point is and what you'll do if and when you get there.

Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do - Goethe

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By SheliaH on 02/22/2020 12:57 PM
There's another possibility I just thought of - could it be John is the one who's suing the association and his wife wants to be on the Board? Perhaps other board members (and possibly other neighbors) have objected because of some of the things already mentioned in this discussion, and he's looking for a response the others might accept.

Mark's also correct that at some point people have to be willing to stand up for what's right. You can get all the advice in the world, but until you use it, they're only words. I've always said speaking truth to power isn't easy - a simple look at history will demonstrate that. Yet, that's the ONLY way things change. It doesn't happen overnight, there will be some lost battles along the way and you may not be the one who actually finished. But this is your home and in the end, no one will ever care about it more than you. It's just a matter of deciding what you can live with, what your breaking point is and what you'll do if and when you get there.

Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do - Goethe

The YouTube video link he provided shows his full name. I quick Google search shows that he is at war with the neighborhood and is not well liked.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Gotta love social media!
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
I am assuming this isn't a homeowner association, but a membership corporation that operates a seasonal RV park.
PaulJ6
Posts: 990
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnK40 on 02/22/2020 11:10 AM
Posted By JohnC46 on 02/22/2020 9:50 AM
I believe our Bylaws say one is not eligible to be on the BOD if they are involved in any legal action against the HOA. That said, it does not stop their spouse from running but the spouse would have to recuse themselves from any conversations/votes concerning the issue. That also said, I would not vote for the person because of possible issues.


Dues paid

Husband/wife both on deed

Husband nominated 2018

Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

After husband disqualified, wife was nominated to run 2019

President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

Wife will be nominated again within weeks for 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?

So the president alone sets election rules? Shouldn't the board be doing that? Or does the president just browbeat the board into doing what the president wants?

Sounds like a breach of fiduciary duty or breach of contract (governing documents) issue, possibly, and grounds for another lawsuit.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Lawsuit! Lawsuit! Lawsuit!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Anyone else missing what "disqualified" means here? What is the basis of being denied? It just can't be the lawsuit. It sounds too ASSUMED to be that reason alone.

For me any member can run for their HOA board even if not in good standing. It's just who is going to vote for someone not in good standing or involved in a lawsuit? It's still free will even if your an idiot.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Melissa,

Many associations have very specific restrictions regarding who can run for Board seats.

This is more about what those restrictions are, or could be, rather than should be.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
She would be able to run and serve on the board in Texas. Under state code there are very limited circumstances where a member cannot serve on the board of an HOA.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnT38 on 02/22/2020 1:21 PM
The YouTube video link he provided shows his full name. I quick Google search shows that he is at war with the neighborhood and is not well liked.
I spent some time googling on the pertinent names. The little I turned up does not lead me to conclude anything about any of the sides. Maybe JohnT38 saw something I did not. I do think the youtube video might not be a bad idea, assuming it's a 100%, "bulletproof" factual. The guy and his wife being (unlawfully?) denied board positions are up against a board that has pretty much unlimited amounts to spend on an attorney. Florida for one has explicitly documented the imbalance of power in member-HOA disputes in its statutes. If social media helps balance things out, good.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Members of Florida HOAs generally have a right to run for the board. There's no "permission" required from anyone. A member does not have to be "permitted" to run. OP's problem seems to be in WV, however, and I agree with Mark, it's probably not a true Homeowners Associaion, but rather a property owners association of some sort in an "RV Resort" (a/k/a a trailer park with delusions of grandeur).
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By GenoS on 02/23/2020 12:04 PM
it's probably not a true Homeowners Associaion, but rather a property owners association of some sort in an "RV Resort" (a/k/a a trailer park with delusions of grandeur).
You sure called that one wrong. See the OP's other thread for all the amenities this massive RV park offers, including a luxurious lounge and bar; multiple rec rooms; the buzillion employees/contract workers it employs; and more.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/23/2020 12:45 PM
You sure called that one wrong. See the OP's other thread for all the amenities this massive RV park offers, including a luxurious lounge and bar; multiple rec rooms; the buzillion employees/contract workers it employs; and more.

Perhaps but I'll stand by my take. Whichever, it doesn't sound like a traditional Homeowners Association or Property Owners Association. It sounds like a souped-up trailer park. Luxurious lounge? In WV? To each his own I suppose.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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C’mon, Geno.

There are some very large, very complex, very luxurious RV parks.
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/23/2020 1:10 PM
C’mon, Geno.

There are some very large, very complex, very luxurious RV parks.

These units go for about $17K per lot. Other "luxurious" lots in "luxurious" parks go for $250K.

I own two of the $17K type units in different parts of the country and trust me, they are nice, but "luxurious", nope!
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Posted By GenoS on 02/23/2020 1:04 PM
Whichever, it doesn't sound like a traditional Homeowners Association or Property Owners Association. It sounds like a souped-up trailer park. Luxurious lounge? In WV? To each his own I suppose.
I am confident New Yorkers feel similarly about Floridians.

What has my attention is the size of the annual budget to maintain all the amenities, staff and insurance. I expect this is a lot more than the typical, non-coastal HOA with the same number of residences. I see it as nothing like a trailer park.
JohnK40 (West Virginia)
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Asking for your understanding and cooperation to return this thread to the original issue of seeking your thought/experience.  We are a membership that wants change and have a Board that meddles in elections.

What may occur in YOUR organizations? Hoping that with your feedback I will be able to logically determine what direction to proceed in my organization.

1500+ member self-governing WV not for profit corporation.

In 2018 a married member was disqualified from running for the Board.  One thing led to another and that member became involved in litigation with the corporation.

In 2019, still locked in litigation the wife of this member was nominated for a board seat.  The wife was disqualified because her husband was in the ongoing litigation.

In 2020 the litigation continues.

Within a month the nomination process for the 2020 board election begins and the wife will again be nominated.

If this was ongoing in your organization ...  Do you have any suggestions?

1. Dues paid

2. Husband/wife both on the deed

3. Husband nominated 2018

4. Corporation Lawyer wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

5. Election Committee Advisor wrote husband PERMITTED to run for Board 2018

6. Members Election Committee determined husband PERMITTED to run 2018

7. Election Committee Chair wrote to President based on the lawyer's response, ALLOW husband nomination to stand 2018

8. President said NO ... husband is DISQUALIFIED 2018

9. President disqualified husband after being nominated again in 2019

10 After husband disqualified, the wife was nominated to run 2019

11. President said NO ... wife is DISQUALIFIED in 2019 because the husband was disqualified in 2018

12. The wife will be nominated again within weeks for the 2020 election.

If the situation was in YOUR organization, what are your thoughts/suggestions?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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At this point, accept the fact that your HOA is going to lose in this lawsuit. Start minimizing damages. This is probably going to be an insurance claim on the D&O insurance due to the HOA board member actions. Because they are indimenified for being on the board their personal assets won't be touched.

If it was me? I'd have a recall election and get these board members out. Time to elect a new board.

Former HOA President

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