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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Finally this Board Member who last March called an "attack the President meeting" against all our rules for calling members to a meeting has been voted off the Board by the members. He has caused the board much grief since then. I understand he actually yelled at the property management team at one Board Meeting.
Even though he had been on the Board for three years he did not know how the proxies worked. During the voting process he asked who had given proxies. And he asked if the people who gave the proxies actually named a person to vote for them. I had received the proxies of two people and one of the board members had received proxies of three people. Then we had to explain to him that if a person was not named on the proxy the vote went to the Association. The vote of the proxy would be with the majority of the vote of all members. My sister did tell me that if she had had an inkling to vote for him his actions prior to voting for the Board Members would have turned her against voting for him.

Then during the counting of the ballots he got up and went over to the table where property management was counting the ballots. I was close enough to hear him to tell them to slow down. I understand the ballots were counted three times.

My sister who also lives in the building told me she was upset when he did this, but then calmed herself down thinking this might be his job since he was vice president. I did tell her that was not his job.

Thanks for reading. I had a post about this rogue Board Member some weeks ago. I just wanted to give an update.

GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Bonnie,

Could you post your update to that thread?
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
George

You really need to insist that HOATalk make you a moderator.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Mark,

Thanks, again. You know how much I appreciate and value your advice.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So, bonnie, without all the she said, he di, she did, he said details, what might be useful to readers here is:

Was there a campaign against this jerk and that's why he lost??

OR

Did owners simply see him as the jerk he is and voted for an alternative?

OR did something else defeat him?

This might help others because we see posts pretty regularly about bad directors or an individual bad director. with questions about how to get rid of them.

I see no purpose going back to your lengthy previous pots on this topic.

MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Bonnie,
Your election rules should be pretty clear on how Proxies are handled. It is usually spelled out on the ballot as well. When I was in Ca. I never had to worry about Proxy votes. In Texas our last election I was surprised to read that the President cast all Proxy ballots if no one has written in a Proxy name.

I guess every State has different rules and it is important for everyone to be up to date on your State rules.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/18/2020 2:10 PM
Bonnie,

Could you post your update to that thread?

I just posted the update to that thread. My energy level took a nose dive yesterday evening or I would have posted it then
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 02/19/2020 7:27 AM
Bonnie,
Your election rules should be pretty clear on how Proxies are handled. It is usually spelled out on the ballot as well. When I was in Ca. I never had to worry about Proxy votes. In Texas our last election I was surprised to read that the President cast all Proxy ballots if no one has written in a Proxy name.

I guess every State has different rules and it is important for everyone to be up to date on your State rules.

That sounds fishy for the President to cast all proxies that did not have a name.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 02/18/2020 5:57 PM
So, bonnie, without all the she said, he di, she did, he said details, what might be useful to readers here is:

Was there a campaign against this jerk and that's why he lost??

OR

Did owners simply see him as the jerk he is and voted for an alternative?

OR did something else defeat him?

This might help others because we see posts pretty regularly about bad directors or an individual bad director. with questions about how to get rid of them.

I see no purpose going back to your lengthy previous pots on this topic.


It was six of one and half dozen of the other. There was a campaign against this rogue Board Member and some owners simply saw him as the joke he is and voted for an alternative. One of the Board Members made a special effort to talk to off site owners about the problem with him. One off site owner was already upset that he gave the offer to "self nominate" to her renter.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Bonnie,
I thought the same thing when I read it on the mailed Ballots. I first asked the PM and when he said that is how it is done in Texas I asked his Manager and received the same conformation.

I had recruited 1 candidate to run against 2 other candidates that were trying to be re elected. I had some doubts that 1 may decide not to run and a real rogue man may put his name in and automatically when a board seat. Once the ballot deadline was reached and we only had 3 candidates running for 2 seats and All 3 had board experience in our HOA. I was stuck having to pick who to give the 3 Proxies that were unsigned. I had given the PM who was the inspector of Elections my preapproval to cast the votes for the top 2 candidates selected by the community.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thanks, Bonnie. Here, we have about 25% off-site owners. A small group of us sent special campaign letters to them urging votes for me and for a potential new director. We were a little worried about a 3rd candidate who'd also be new to the board and didn't campaign for him. We had three vacancies and three incumbents seeking reelection. We felt certain we could gain one seat and maybe two. We thought the third incumbent was safe.

BUT all three were soundly defeated. They were so arrogant that they didn't even put any effort into campaigning at all. Each, however, avoided mentioning in their candidates statements their strong support for a community-wide project that we opposed.

As with Bonnie's situation, I think it was a combo between our campaign with off-site owners, whom we already knew DO vote, and owner-occupants' disgust with the incumbents and the major project they planned, and "their leader," who wasn't up for reelection.

After the three were defeated their leader resigned from the Board.

I went into detail here because sometimes, Owners feel powerless against a rogue, abusive, secretive or otherwise "bad" board. The cheapest way to get rid of them is with the ballot IF you can be sure your elections are legit. It does take unified effort by a group of Owners., in our case 9 months worth. Similarly, as Bonnie's case shows, you can get rid of one rogue director, too.

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