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ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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We live in a small community in Florida with an annual budget of @ $96k. Having been too busy and probably lazy for not looking at the yearly financials I finally had a chance to review. Each year over the past 5 years we have been having a surplus in the operating budget. It hasn’t been consistent but now we have accumulated over $100k in cash which they have labeled as “Equity”. Recently the BOD just raised our dues $50/month for upcoming future attorney fees for Contract negotiations with a Cable company. Is this normal or just poor fiduciary responsibility by the BOD. Our Reserve accounts also have 4 times the amount of the replacement costs and increasing monthly...Thoughts from anyone?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You say you haven't looked at your financial report in a few years, so before you start accusing people of poor fiduciary duty, try looking at a few reports for, say the past three to five years, along with the board meeting minutes. The reports should show trends in what expenses have gone up faster than others. Hopefully, the minutes will show discussions about those expenses and efforts to keep them under control. If you have questions about what you see, to to a board meeting or two and ask your questions. You may not get everything answered in one shot, so write down your questions in the order of what's most important to you.

As for equity, could you be looking at the balance sheet instead of the income/expense statement? Owners equity is what's left after all business liabilities are paid off. In other words, if the community were to end and all the remaining bills paid, whatever's lef is considered owners equity. If this is in the income/expense statement, that should be met income or loss. It could be a typo, so ask about that as well.

When I was on the board, we'd look at the year end her income and depending on the amount, we might transfer a portion to our reserves (the account that's supposed to be used to pay for major common area repairs and replacements like roof repair). You could ask if the board is planning to do something similar.

By the way it sounds like you have a healthy resresves, so what's your probkem? You do know there's something called inflation, don't you? 2020 dollars may not buy the same amount in 2025, when it may be time to do a major repair, so you may be very happy you have a reserve fund that won't be completely emptied for a 2025 project and you have other work coming up in 2026 and 2027.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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Thank you for your thoughts and comments. I wasn’t trying to accuse anyone, I just believe the board has been following the actions of the previous boards and not correcting the overfunding of the HOA. I believe they have a fiduciary responsibility to plan budgets for legitimate expenses and income. To accumulate $100k in profit “Equity” and then raise assessments seems irregular. We have a majority of seniors in our community and I believe the additional monies would be better off in the membership hands than the BOD hands. I guess my major issue is, aren’t there limits for how much “Equity” an HOA can have without being called a For Profit business and I know the Reserves are accurate even with inflation. It just seems there is no watchdog on the amounts...which like you said it’s good to have healthy reserves.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Chuck

You say they re carrying the $100K as Equity when is should be called Reserves. $100K might be overkill for some associations or it might be way short of what is needed for an other association. Money in the Reserves is for future repair, rebuilding, long term maintenance, etc. The amount necessary should come as a result of a Reserve Study. It should not be guessed at. Also Reserves should not be spent on other things, such as pay a lawyer so the $50 dues increase might well be warranted.

What size and type association are you? What are your present dues?
AugustinD
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Posted By ChuckP5 on 02/16/2020 4:49 PM
Our Reserve accounts also have 4 times the amount of the replacement costs and increasing monthly...Thoughts from anyone?
How do you know this? Have you looked at the HOA's Reserve Study? Has a Reserve Study ever been done?
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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We are 51 single family residential units, within a group of 4 other HOA’s. There is a master HOA that determines our Reserves as we share the roads, guard gate, lawn maintenance and so forth. We have no other capital assets as we all own them together in different proportions. There has been a reserve study completed which I have reviewed which has led me here. Our yearly contribution to the master HOA Reserve is @4,500/yr with a total exposure of @ $57k. Our yearly budget has $15k/yr for reserves.. I asked a BOD member why and they said just in case of a disaster or emergency. We have over $231k in the reserve account besides the $100k of equity. I guess we are liquid but jeez I thought this was a non profit.. our yearly budget is $96k. Aren’t there limits for any of these accounts? I’m sure our elderly members would rather have their cash than the HOA...
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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i have reviewed the HOA Reserve Study as we are getting ready to repair our roads...
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
i have reviewed the HOA Reserve Study as we are getting ready to repair our roads...
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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i have reviewed the HOA Reserve Study as we are getting ready to repair our roads...
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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When you say they rather have their money than the HOA... Realize that a "HOA" is NOT a "they or them" it is "YOU and your NEIGHBORS". So the money you pay in dues is contributing to the maintenance, upkeep, and expenses of EVERY neighbor/member. Your basically paying for the "group rate" than individual costs. In the long run actually saving you and your neighbors money.

I know that my non-HOA home I pay for more expenses than ever did in the HOA. My HOA the dues covered lawncare, clubhouse, pool access, and garbage/recycle. I pay nearly 2 times that much as an individual. Plus with a lot less benefit with no pool or clubhouse access.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Dude, you live in Florida, a state that's bad it's share of really bad weather in the last 10 years or so - you don't say where you're at, but with hurricanes and stuff, I would think you'd want to have a healthy reserve. The alternative is to be caught short handed at the worst time, and then you'd risk a special assessment. I'm sure your neighbors would like that even less.

It's not that you can't go a year, maybe two without raising assessments, but owning a home is expensive and the cost never goes down. I feel for your neighbors because I'm pushing 60 and I also worry how I'll get maintenance and improvements done on one salary before I retire. After that, I worry if I'll face the prospect of choosing between a furnace repair or medication.

That's when you might have a heavy decision to make. At some point, home ownership may no longer work for and you may need to downsize. Until then, you have to work the budget as best you can go do what's necessary. It's the same for the board. In fact I believe a few people on this website have told of situations in their community where a fire or tornado cost heavy damage and there wasn't enough money in the budget to pay for repairs, so they had to go special assessment. People raised hell, some for recalled and in the end the repairs still had to be made and cost what it cost.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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I think it would helpful for Chuck to post some summary of what the categories are in their RS, and when the study was done, and whether the study provided, as most do, a spreadsheet showing the recomputed assessments profile to bring the Reserve Fund to the appropriate level, when this will occur and what the balance is supposed to be this year, next year, etc.

In other words, data is needed.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Chuck, what exactly does the Reserve Study summary say about the status of the reserve? Does it recommend decreasing reserve contributions for awhile? Keeping the contributions the same? Increasing the contributions?

You used the phrase, "total exposure." I am not sure what this means. I guess given your sub-HOA's obligations to the Master HOA, it's not easy to explain briefly?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Chuck

When you say your HOA is part of a Master HOA, is the $4,500 you give the Master enough for them to pave you section's roads or is each section responsible for paving their own roads? Road paving costs are the #1 expense of many HOA's.
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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I guess it’s hard to analyze without posting the financials and studies and more data is probably needed. I understand the inflation and costs of items as I work in the development and construction industry. Roads are the major portion of our reserves and we have updated proposals included in the yearly budgets. The $4,500 we pay each year is our HOA share of the reserves and we only pay 15% of the total. According to the Master HOA we should have @ $50k in reserves..The updated replacement cost of the roads and guard building as of 12/2019 was $435k. I guess I’m getting off my real questions which is how much is too much in a reserve account and how much “Equity” is normal to carry in an Operating account of $96k a year
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Chuck

I am still confused on what the Equity Funds are for? Are they not Reserves?

Out total budget is $94K and we are facing roof replacements (paid by the HOA) of $400K commencing in 2027 and stretching out over 7 years. Thus we are aiming for a Reserve of 5 times our budget, but that is just us. In 2034 our Reserves will be about $50K and will begin to rise.

There is no relationship between yearly dues and what is needed for a properly financed Reserve Fund.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JohnC46 on 02/19/2020 7:45 AM
Chuck

I am still confused on what the Equity Funds are for? Are they not Reserves?

Out total budget is $94K and we are facing roof replacements (paid by the HOA) of $400K commencing in 2027 and stretching out over 7 years. Thus we are aiming for a Reserve of 5 times our budget, but that is just us. In 2034 our Reserves will be about $50K and will begin to rise.

There is no relationship between yearly dues and what is needed for a properly financed Reserve Fund.

ADDENDUM BY OP

At one time I was told that an association should have 6 months worth of dues in a Reserve Fund. I have since learned that is not correct for all associations.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You may be right you do need more information to get a clearer picture of the finances, so if you haven't already done so, ask for a copy of the most recent reserve study and take a look.

That said, words like "too much" mean everything and nothing, depending on who's asking and why, so I'd focus less on what's subjective and concentrate on checking the financials regularly to ensure the budget is based on YOUR community's needs and the board is managing them in a transparent and prudent manner. Don't worry about what other communities do or don't do - you don't live there, so how would that affect your community? I say this because people often look at other communities and wonder why X's assessments are so much lower than Y community - too many variables can explain the difference, starting with asking if community X even has a reserve fund.

If a day comes where you have no idea whatsoever on what's happening with the finances and the board can't or won't respond to your questions, that's when you need to start worrying. Until then, it would appear you have a disagreement about what the balance should be. Sometimes, you have to agree to disagree and move on.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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Posted By JohnC46 on 02/19/2020 7:45 AM
Chuck

I am still confused on what the Equity Funds are for? Are they not Reserves?

Equity funds are what is what shows up on a Balance Sheet. It may or may not reflect what actually is the cash on hand for reserve accounts.
ChuckP5 (Florida)
Posts: 8
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I think maybe we got off my original concerns but have appreciated how much everyone has helped me and given guidance!!!! This is a great source of information and would recommend to everyone...

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