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NicoleO5 (California)
Posts: 61
Posted:
HI all,
I know this is not Disneyland. Being on an HOA board has SO many challenges. For the most part our board flowed without incident of many challenges for a few years! It was like HOA shangrila for that time. Over the last few months there has been issues that have been brough to the boards attention by a board member. To keep it simple, it was processed, discussed and had attourney advisement. We are done with it and moved on. One of our board members seems to be having challenges with doing this though. Every since this issue was resolved every time there is discussion this board member goes out of his wasy to challenge the person he seems ot have issues with. For example the issue of a basic rule not being enforced was brought up even that was challenged by this board member. We have moved forward but soem some reason this person seems to have unsettled business that seems to be a factor in his role on the board. If the person he is having issues with says yes, he says no, if they say no he says yes.

The sad issues is the originating issue has nothing to do with this board member at all. It was simply a difference of opinions. That is all... and now we are stuck with someone who has a personal vendetta on the opposing board member...

Its like kindergarten now. Being a bully doens’ t work.. and in fact I wonder if this person can put this behind him and continue forward?? Advice on how to run an adult day care much appreciated.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
If I am understanding correctly: Director Holdagrudge loathes Director Reasonable. He is like the Trumpster. By all evidence, Director Holdagrudge wishes to make his loathing for Director Reaonable evident by opposing Director Reasonable at every opportunity. There is a method to his madness: He is making Director Reasonable feel bad.

Rationally speaking, Holdagrudge only sees a benefit to torturing Director Reasonable. I believer there is no chance Director Reasonable can persuade Director Holdagrudge to stop the torture. Nor do I think the rest of the Board would have any luck. Hopefully with time Director Holdagrudge will not always be such an ass----, especially on big issues.

Meanwhile, Director Reasonable should stay as cool outwardly as possible and be careful not to use too much liquor to self-medicate.

When Justice Ginsburg was asked a few years ago how she responded to hostile remarks, she said, "Well, never in anger, as my mother told me."
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think Augustine is right Dir. R. must keep her cool and not respond to Dir. H. I also think the meeting chair must play a role. first your board must stick to its posted agenda and the chair should be in charge of this. There should be NO random conversations about anything, e.g., offhand remarks that a rule isn't enforced.

If a director brings up a non-agenda item at an open meeting, the chair or any director should say: let's put that on the agenda for next month. To be really formal, any director can call "point of order": We may not discuss non-agenda items at meetings.

This should reduce the yes v no remarks. Now, if the yes v no remarks are actual votes that's a whole different story. But I'm not sure what this yes v no stuff is. board can't just have conversations during their meetings. Can you clarify, Nicole?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think Augustine is right Dir. R. must keep her cool and not respond to Dir. H. I also think the meeting chair must play a role. first your board must stick to its posted agenda and the chair should be in charge of this. There should be NO random conversations about anything, e.g., offhand remarks that a rule isn't enforced.

If a director brings up a non-agenda item at an open meeting, the chair or any director should say: let's put that on the agenda for next month. To be really formal, any director can call "point of order": We may not discuss non-agenda items at meetings.

This should reduce the yes v no remarks. Now, if the yes v no remarks are actual votes that's a whole different story. But I'm not sure what this yes v no stuff is. HOA Boards in CA can't just have conversations during their meetings. Can you clarify, Nicole?

This is sounding to me like meetings that aren't well-organized or managed.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Broadly, simply start isolating the very negative person - start with the board via coalitions ... then move into the neighborhood and consider a special meeting to recall the negative person.

When the negative person gets aggressive at meetings, just giggle, say something like, "Yes, we understand you have a different opinion. Thanks for being involved. Now, let's vote."

Have agreement among the other board members, that when the negative president goes off at a meeting, that one, then two, then three board members will says, "Mr President, we appreciate your thoughts, now let's move on." If he doesn't, then, "Motion to restrict further discussion on this topic."
NicoleO5 (California)
Posts: 61
Posted:
I am hearing what you are all saying. Most of this is day to day information that is being passed from our managment to us. FYI there is a legal issue that needs to be advised. The email to the board and managment was responded to by Dir Reasonable. Director HAG immedialty piped in and stated no such advise is needed, spending money on an attorney is not necessary. I asked the entire board to please submit their throughts. 4 yes for attorney and 1 for HAG no. While this wasn’t a vote we needed to make a decision that is important regarding using our atty who is on retainer anyway! The board has noticed the NO an being a PIA with remarks. Moving forward I predict he leaves the board becaue he really is a lone wolf out there.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
This attorney matter should have been handled in an executive session, which only requires 2-days posted notice in CA.

Email chit-chat among a quorum directors about should not occur in CA. Put a stop to it and reserves discussions about HOA biz to meetings.

Sounds like you're the president, Nicole?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Kerry,

Just read a summary of email recommendations wrt DS ... wow. Had no idea it was that restrictive! Seems like that many restrictions, based apparently on the concept of email interactions constituting a meeting, would preclude open notification loops of all board members.

I’ve found emailing - and, knowing they are discoverable (I insist on email, vice text, for this reason) - our directors on issues, informing them on topics, etc, improves our efficiency at Board meetings. We still cover all topics in an open manner. Nothing hidden, we are just more prepared to get through multiple topics.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What I'm suggesting, George, is that in Nicole's case the results are the opposite of those in your HOA. A little hard to follow her, but the nastiness between Mr. H & Mr. R. seems to be in these exchanges.

Nicole's HOA has a PM. There should be no need for "day to day" emails among the PM and all directors.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Yeah, well, we have a PM, as well, but there are a lot of moving parts - and, yeah, well, our pm isn’t really involved in a lot of activities.

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