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DerekD1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
We had a new neighbor move in a year ago and put up a 4’ chainlink fence, he was told he had to put it 5’ in from his property line if he wanted to do chainlink because bushes were required on the outside of the fence so it could not be seen. He submitted his plans anyways with 1’ from property line. The lady on the arb was on vacation at the time and the cc&r states if you don’t not get a response in 30 days it is approved. So it did. Months later he built a pool, tiki hut in the rear of his property and a fire pit in the rear of his property. All were approved by default. We were not notified or asked our opinion of any of it. He is now on the arb. We submitted for a 6’ vinyl fence, and I have been told by him a few times now that he likes to be able to see the other yards around him, and he doesn’t think vinyl fences are allowed and tried to say it was a stockade fence(it has been confirmed that this was not true).
Our neighbor on the corner lot installed a 6’ vinyl fence a little over a year ago and they are telling me that because he was on the corner lot he was approved for a 6’ fence.
The cc&r on fences don’t cover much and does not say 5’ max height for the fence that is what is on record with our county from 2015. The arb manual is from 1992 and not on record with the county. The arb manual states 5’ max height.
My question is can the hoa enforce a rule that is in a arb document but not in the cc&r that is on record with the county. And can pick and chose when they enforce these guidelines, such as approval for our neighbor down the street but not us. Since our new neighbor has put in a pool,tiki hut in the back of his property, and a fire pit which were approved by default and no response from the arb at the time. We no longer have any privacy in our kitchen, kitchen bar, or living room because of the location of the fire pit and tiki bar.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Derek,

Remember that your submitting your plan to a board for review, not the solitary member. What the new ARB member personally prefers is not germane to your request to install a fence to provide privacy given that there is precedent for tall fences in your community.

Make sure you deal w/ the entire board for architectural review. Have them come over to your house and see the back-of-lot amenities. You make a strong case and, I'm willing to bet that your CC&Rs mention something along of the lines of residents having the right of quiet enjoyment on their property.

Don't get frustrated but navigate the system, including hiring a lawyer (and yes it's worth it in this case) as I can see where the neighbor would push amenities up against the property lines. In some cases, attorney representation can actually avoid a bloody fight and even a lawsuit by professionalizing the dispute process.

You just want a fence.
DerekD1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you for your input.
Further details of exception to the 5’ max height for the corner lot.
The 5’ restriction has been in the arb guidelines since 1992 not stating any exceptions. The corner neighbor purchased the house in 1998 with the 5’ max height in place already. In 2018 he was president of the hoa and built the fence in 2018 and an exception to him.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
Haven't you heard, Article II of your CCRs gives the president absolute power. Get over it!
DerekD1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks you sharing your knowledge on the subject mark.
DerekD1 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I was mistaken of the member with the 6’ fence being president my mistake they had similar names.
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
Posted:
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Posted By DerekD1 on 02/02/2020 11:22 AM
Thanks you sharing your knowledge on the subject mark.

You're most welcome

Go 49ers
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Not all lots are created equal. We had a corner lot that because of the orientation of the house a 6 foot fence would not work. So what we had to do is approve for the backyard to get a 6 foot and then taper down to a 4 foot at front/side. Why? Because that is where the stop sign was. If it was at 6 foot, it blocked the view of the Stop sign.

So maybe someone will get approved for something that you won't. You don't have the same or equal conditions. To demand it doesn't do you any favors. Especially if you can't recognize that your lot/house is set up differently. Which I have seen many times...Can't explain it enough...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Derek

Typically when an ARB says no, you can appeal to the entire BOD.

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