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DennisG7 (Georgia)
Posts: 155
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Well, I've been the HOA President for 3 weeks. Yippee! Many questions and issues are facing us but one issue is the lackluster interest rate our Management Company has our Reserve Account stashed in. We are earning about .4% interest. We'd like to stash this money some place else earning more. Any suggestions? A different bank? A CD? any other ideas?
Appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.
Dennis G7
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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I had a need to shop around for the best money market rates the second half of 2019. Can you give a range of how much money we are talking about right now? E.g. $5000 to $20,000? $300,000 or more? Banks nickel and dime money market accounts to death. Many require a linked checking account, and the checking account cannot go below a certain amount or one faces a $15 fee.

A CD is something to consider, especially since the interest rate yield curve is barely un-inverted right now. A good short term CD rate may be had.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Personal opinion, your MC shouldn't have your account. This should be in the sole custody of the Association.
The MC can make deposits but should not be able to withdraw from the Reserves.

Depending on how your reserves are structured, you might want to consider a money market account and/or purchase some certificates of deposit.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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You may want to look at area credit unions. Banks often don't give business accounts the nice rates that you see in their advertising, but some of the credit unions may offer those higher rates.

Credit unions carry insurance that is very similar to FDIC. They may or may not offer similar or levels of service to banks. When I compared several financial institutions last year, I found that it really depended on the individual institutions. I walked away from one credit union that offered good rates because I couldn't get them to respond within a reasonable time (a couple days) when I tried to get information - I figured if they were that indifferent to new (sizable!) deposits, they'd be even worse once they had you as a customer. Others were much more responsive.

Of course tying up your money longer will also give you better rates. When we did our last reserve study, I asked for the company to provide the data in Excel format. I added some columns to include reserve account amounts and projected earnings - this gave us a better picture of how long we can tie up the money and how much wiggle room we have if we need to replace some components ahead of schedule.

We had intended to do a CD ladder, but the bank we went with was offering a special with an extra quarter to half percent of interest if we went with some oddball maturities (13 months, 19 months). We decided that the extra money was worth the extra work we'd have to do to manage the accounts.

Depending on the size of your reserve account, you may want to look harder at the insurance. Some banks and credit unions have programs that allow you to exceed the $250,000 insurance limit on deposits. You may get better rates and/or better service if you're able to keep a big chunk of money in one institution.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By TimB4 on 01/23/2020 7:21 AM
Personal opinion, your MC shouldn't have your account. This should be in the sole custody of the Association.
The MC can make deposits but should not be able to withdraw from the Reserves.

Depending on how your reserves are structured, you might want to consider a money market account and/or purchase some certificates of deposit.


Sound advice. Get that Reserve Fund money out of your MC's hands post haste. Our Reserve Funds are in the name of our President and Treasurer as co-signers.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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We’ve had the same issue with our reserves. I did some Googling and found the following suggestions

• Establish a capital reserve initiation payment. This is also known as a buy-in fee some HOAs charge when a home is sold or transferred from one owner to another, and it’s paid at the time of closing. The fee could be a specific amount, the equivalent of a year’s worth of assessments, or something in between.

Rules on charging the fee, how much, etc., should be in your documents, and your state may have additional rules on when this is charged or a cap of what can be charged. If nothing’s in your documents, you’ll have to add it and homeowners will need to sign off on those changes, so talk to your association attorney about the pros and cons before going this route.

• Consider direct investments in US treasury bonds

• Consider CDs from federal credit unions, which are usually higher than bank CDs (although I personally haven’t seen a huge difference, it’s worth checking out)

• Go longer on the CD rate, such as five years. Some communities keep a certain amount in the fund at all times while the rest is invested in 5 year, 7 year or 10 year CDs. It’s usually done in concert with the reserve study recommendations, e.g. if you know you’ll need a capital replacement in 10 years, that portion of the fund would go in the 10 year CD.

Of course, you know not to risk the reserve fund principal at ANY time – the article I saw suggests that you avoid any bond fund because their values can decrease. You may want to talk to your reserve study specialist and the bank (as Tim suggested, this should be your own bank – if you do nothing else, take steps to put the money in the Association’s control.)

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CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/23/2020 7:49 AM

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Of course, you know not to risk the reserve fund principal at ANY time – the article I saw suggests that you avoid any bond fund because their values can decrease. You may want to talk to your reserve study specialist and the bank (as Tim suggested, this should be your own bank – if you do nothing else, take steps to put the money in the Association’s control.)

Adding on to what Sheila said, some boards look into opening accounts at brokerage houses because of the access to a wider range of products. However, brokered CDs trade on the open market, and it is possible to lose principal. Ditto bonds. You should always buy new-issue CDs or bonds and hold them to maturity. So if you go the brokerage route, be sure you understand what you're buying.

You also need to read the fine print if you buy CDs from banks. Typically you never lose principal - any early redemption penalty reduces the interest you'll be paid. However, I have heard of some banks that actually reduce your principal as well. You'll want to avoid these unless you are very sure that you will not need to money prior to maturity *and* the bank is compensating you in some way for taking the additional risk (ie. paying a higher interest rate).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Have any of you looked into CD's for Internet banks? If so, your thoughts please.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/23/2020 1:46 PM
Have any of you looked into CD's for Internet banks? If so, your thoughts please.

We looked into that last year. It seems most people prefer it when there's a local warm body you can go and throttle (figuratively) if anything untoward happens to your funds. While internet bank funds are probably safe, you have the added concern of establishing the online password and ensuring its safety and confidentiality. Not a huge task but if the password goes missing or is otherwise compromised, who do you "complain to"? It's not an unsolveable issue but it's something that must be addressed.

We have several hundred thousand dollars in our reserves. We have to split it up so that no one account exceeds the FDIC protection limit. Our bookkeper a few years ago and our short-time management company earlier this year alluded to some kind of account arrangement they called a "sweep account". I haven't seen a lot of references online to that type of thing but when they promise something that seems too good to be true, I tend to discount it. The claim is we can have all of our reserves money, far in excess of the FDIC limit, earning interest as part of one "account" without any of it being in jeopardy due to exceeding that FDIC limit. I've never heard it adequately explained with a discussion of the risks and/or drawbacks, but it may be something worth looking into.

For years our reserves were earning 0.1% interest in money market accounts. Thanks to a lot of legwork on the part of a couple of new directors in 2019, we were able to earn closer to 2% last year. There were a lot of phone calls shopping around for the best rates with local financial institutions (all banks, no brokerage accounts), some moving money around between accounts, closing a couple of accounts and setting up new ones, but 2% vs 0.1% has been very beneficial for us. With the economy and interest rates the way they are we THINK we'll get closer to 1% this year. Still, 5 figures is better than 4 figures. In our case, it took a LOT of work to find 2%. The powers that be would like to drive interest rates to zero. A discussion for another forum.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/23/2020 7:44 AM
Posted By TimB4 on 01/23/2020 7:21 AM
Personal opinion, your MC shouldn't have your account. This should be in the sole custody of the Association.
The MC can make deposits but should not be able to withdraw from the Reserves.

Depending on how your reserves are structured, you might want to consider a money market account and/or purchase some certificates of deposit.



Sound advice. Get that Reserve Fund money out of your MC's hands post haste. Our Reserve Funds are in the name of our President and Treasurer as co-signers.

Keep the Reserve Funds in the hands of your management company provided your HOA board has a yearly 3rd party audit of your financials. There's much more risk, financially, to having local neighbors holding access to the entire community's savings. It will keep you safe as a new president.

That said, do a money market account and endure the low-interest environment. The money should be liquid so that you can easily keep property capital investments on track. The money market will roughly track inflation so your savings won't completely lose buying power. Don't overthink it. It's not your retirement fund and Reserves, while large, are not designed as HOA investment vehicles.

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