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CharlesM2 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I send quarterly assessment notices for our 74 member homeowner association. I'd like to spruce up our notices to look more professional. We send a printed statement (QuickBooks - very basic) and a printed envelope.

One thought I had was to print and mail statements somewhat in the form of a utility bill as follows:

#10 envelope with windows to show association as sender and homeowner as recipient.
Statement with perforated section for the homeowner to tear off and return.
#9 envelope with window to show homeowner as sender and association as recipient.

Anyone do it this way?

If anyone is willing to share what they feel is a great "looking" notice, please post. I'm looking for ways to improve our notice.

Thanks to all.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
CharlesM2: Sounds like you are going to a lot of effort 4 times a year, with a hefty postage expense. Have you thought of sending out the quarterly notices all at once in one envelope, much like coupons. Perhaps in December for the next year? It would save on postage, the resident has them in hand, and you could make them look professional with space for unit number, name, payment due by:, etc.
CharlesM2 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I didn't think of that. But I think we might have a problem with people "forgetting" the coupons. I'll keep it in mind and bring up at the next board meeting.

Still looking for ideas and samples. Thanks All!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Charles,
We prefer sending out statements every quarter using a double window #10 envelope. We also include such items as newsletter, notice of annual meeting, proposed budget, and other information as appropriate at the time. Our statements are created in Peachtree using a format we created. In addtion to the amount and date due also list the billings and receipts since the last billing. Also, monthly delinquent statements are mailed and when applicable include lien warning (50 days statement) and notice of intent to lien (90 days statement).

There are advantages and disadvantages of mailing statements vs. coupons. Coupons mailed to a bank lockbox are preferred by management companies. This saves effort by the MC. Coupons mailed to a lockbox also can have the micorcode misread and applied to the wrong account. Coupons also have the problem of misplacing and/or forgetting them so delinquencies are greater. Also, use of a lockbox results in less interest income because someone has to pay for the bank's efforts. What some Board's don't realize is that the HOA pays for this hidden cost. So this system often costs the HOA more while providing greater profit to the MC.

Mailing quarterly statements results in less delinquencies but takes more effort. We do not return envelope is not provided when mailing statements. The cost is often less for mailing than using a lockbox. And usually additional information is included with the statement so mailing costs are minimized.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Roger, I like using the lockbox idea and we do in fact utilize this currently, but one of the wierd problems with lockboxes stem from homeowners that insist on using Banking On Line and because there is no coupon to be attached to the bank's check when they pay online. This causes all sorts of problems. Then you tell the folks that want to pay online, that they must use the local pm's address if they wish to pay on line and they don't remember. Well it seems that the Board has decided to dump the lockbox at year end in favor of just letting our P.M. collect the checks locally. Yes, there's a little risk there, but whatever. There was also an issue that revolved around the fact that the checks went to a lockbox in Arizona or someplace our west, and it took 3 days for the checks to hit the lockbox. We'll see...
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Mike - the problem with billpay remittances is that they do not appear to allow sufficient information to be entered so that the correct unit is identified. A good lockbox provider will take the time to research these items. As far as having the P.M. collect the checks locally, did they give you that assurance? Seems rather strange, since most P.M.'s would rather not have to perform data entry of each payment rec'd, and as Roger mentioned, it's not in the best "profit" interests of the P.M.
We provide no cost lockbox services, while we pay interest on your account, so the old adage applies - shop around.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
I tend to agree with you, but I wasn't involved in this decision. What's odd is the fact that all the large processors seem to be on the west coast. It's nutty to think that we'd have to mail our check to California to get it processed. What's up with that? No good processors on the east coast.?
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 09/24/2007 9:40 AM
Charles,
We prefer sending out statements every quarter using a double window #10 envelope. We also include such items as newsletter, notice of annual meeting, proposed budget, and other information as appropriate at the time. Our statements are created in Peachtree using a format we created. In addtion to the amount and date due also list the billings and receipts since the last billing. Also, monthly delinquent statements are mailed and when applicable include lien warning (50 days statement) and notice of intent to lien (90 days statement).

There are advantages and disadvantages of mailing statements vs. coupons. Coupons mailed to a bank lock box are preferred by management companies. This saves effort by the MC. Coupons mailed to a lock box also can have the micorcode misread and applied to the wrong account. Coupons also have the problem of misplacing and/or forgetting them so delinquencies are greater. Also, use of a lock box results in less interest income because someone has to pay for the bank's efforts. What some Board's don't realize is that the HOA pays for this hidden cost. So this system often costs the HOA more while providing greater profit to the MC.

Mailing quarterly statements results in less delinquencies but takes more effort. We do not return envelope is not provided when mailing statements. The cost is often less for mailing than using a lockbox. And usually additional information is included with the statement so mailing costs are minimized.

Roger,

I respectfully disagree with the lock box theory. We instituted a lock box 2 years ago. We do have a payment go awry once in a while but on the whole it has worked out very well. We send out a coupon book in December for the up coming year, with 4 quarterly payment coupons and the approved budget. This costs us about $380. to every homeowner. If we had to send out one coupon for each quarter, it would cost $170. per quarter. We have less delinquency now than every before in our HOA history. We have a monthly BOD meeting and we always remind people of the next payment. We also have a monthly newsletter and the quarters are perpetually posted.

The bank we deal with is one that was referred from this website. We do not pay any extra fees, although this is something I have worked out with the bank ( no lower interest rate either). The monies we have on deposit with them give our community some pull. We pay nothing for coupon printing either. This amounted to over $1,100 last year before I changed banks. I have never dealt with a bank that specializes in HOA business but it has been a wonderful experience. To speak with someone who knows the ins and outs of HOA's is great. There is no explaining because they understand HOAs and the products they offer are fantastic.

We also utilize the on-line banking. It is paid directly to the bank and we can access to the monies within 24 hours. Re-occurring debits or ACH are also used.

The labor of posting each check to each account was not efficient. We could have cut one office personnel hours in half, because of the lock box. We utilize her elsewhere so it was not required.

DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
It's probably a matter of volume - since there are significant numbers of Associations in the West, some banks have opened up divisions to specialize in the products and services that are unique to HOA's, e.g. lockbox and CDARS deposits.

Notice what NancyD has to say about her experience -
"I have never dealt with a bank that specializes in HOA business but it has been a wonderful experience. To speak with someone who knows the ins and outs of HOA's is great. There is no explaining because they understand HOAs and the products they offer are fantastic."
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DaneC on 09/24/2007 1:58 PM
We provide no cost lockbox services, while we pay interest on your account, so the old adage applies - shop around.

What is your interest rate? The banks I know of in Colorado pay a very low interest rate.
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 09/24/2007 3:45 PM
Posted By DaneC on 09/24/2007 1:58 PM
We provide no cost lockbox services, while we pay interest on your account, so the old adage applies - shop around.


What is your interest rate? The banks I know of in Colorado pay a very low interest rate.

Yes, Dean, I have had a wonderful experience!! Roger, I will not quote interest rates because I have many things going on, laddered CD's, liquid CD's, affiliate banks with CD's, CDARS spread through many banks, lock box, money market accounts and we get interest on our checking! This is all accomplished with one bank. Before I became Treasurer, we had the HOA money spread through 9 different banks. That was fun, running 25 miles to collect a $2,500 CD. I know that the service we get is proportionate to the money we have on deposit. We are financially healthy community.

I am now working with the bank for a recognized HOA program. As of this morning I can get the program for $50. per month or 3 years, we own it. The program with the add ons cost $8400. The program we have and the computer is the MC. It is not a comfortable positions that the MC can walk out the door with all our financials I don't believe they would, but you never know. If we have our own program we control our destiny financially.

In 10 years we had only accumulated $11,700 total, interest on our reserve account. I changed to this bank in September 2006. In the 11 months we have been with this bank we have over $38,500 interest on our reserve account with less money in it than we had in 2005. I have to toot my horn though. I know what I am doing with laddering and what not. Most on my Budget & Finance committee have never even heard of some of the ways money can be maximized.
CharlesM2 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 16
Posted:
This is all good info. I'm the Treasurer and I do all of the accounting, bookkeeping, taxes, etc. for free. And I like to have a local address where people send their checks to. Both the HOA and I use the same bank so it's easy for me to go to the bank/ATM to do deposits. Also, I never write physical checks for the HOA anymore. I use online bill-pay to pay all of the associations bills. Works wonderfully. And I also receive payments from 4 or 5 homeowners that use online bill pay without a problem.

I don't mind printing, stuffing, mailing the statements to homeowners. And I think it's pretty cool that they get envelopes with their names printed on them. I just want to up the ante with the look and feel of something more official.

I'd still like see samples of invoices/statements if anyone's willing to share. I'd be willing to provide a fax number if that would make it easier than scanning and posting.

Regards,
Charles
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesM2 on 09/25/2007 5:47 AM
I'd still like see samples of invoices/statements if anyone's willing to share. I'd be willing to provide a fax number if that would make it easier than scanning and posting. Regards, Charles

Send me an email with your fax or email.
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Roger - I have emailed them to you, along with details about our current promotion.

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