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MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
My HOA added a covenant to require individual homeowners to maintain a buffer zone (common area not deeded to the homeowner) between the homeowner's property line and a pond. The homeowner must trim shrubs, mow grass, mulch and generally maintain that area for the enjoyment of all the homeowners and to prevent problems with the pond system. Homeowners also pay dues which pays, in part, for a landscaping contract for other common areas. There are many homes not on the pond, so those homeowners do not have any additional landscaping burdens. My questions are has anyone else experienced this type of situation? What legal ramifications could there be regarding liability for the individual homeowner? Should I request a maintenance fee reduction since I am being forced to volunteer my services for the common good? Homeowners not in compliance will be fined $5 per day until the area is satisfactory. I will be forced to purchase special tools to complete the requirements. Fair?
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Were your actual Bylaws changed to do this? If that area is described as common property in your Declaration and/or Bylaws then it is the association that must maintain it. Only a vote by the homeowners using the procedure described in your documents can change this responsibility. The Board has no authority to do it on its own.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Mary:

I agree with the previous poster. Your HOA cannot arbitrarily decide to do this. It would take a changing of your covenants which the procedure is spelled out in your docs. Ours require 2/3 vote of those in attendance at a meeting called for that purpose. This is what your dues should be paying for. I would ask them to show you the recorded restriction and show you the meeting that it was voted in at.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,
The above posters have it right. The B.O.D. cannot just change your responsibilitiy for care of the "buffer zone" at their will. Most likely that area is common property and is the responsibility of the association for care. You said it was done thru an amendment? Did you and the other owners who are now required to care for this area, vote "YES" to do the maintenance? If you did not, then it surely was not an amendment to your Documents as you would have been given the chance to vote yes or no.Look into that.
MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I re-read the covenants (everytime I do, I discover something else that isn't in the interest of the individual homeowner) and found that an amendment requires only a quorum of 2/3 of the board of directors (we only have 3 directors). Even though homeowners have voting rights, its unclear what they get to vote for. Since the board only has 1 public meeting per year, they can (and do) make decisions and amendments without the consent of the membership. One statement on the HOA website refers to the HOA as a republic and the board makes decisions based on the best interest of all homeowners, but feel they need to respect the privacy and confidentiality of the topics and people they discuss (violators of rules), so other meetings remain closed. Meeting minutes are posted to the website, but I am unsure (being rather new to the neighborhood) whether the minutes are mailed to homeowners. It's clear to me that I have very little recourse other than to try to catch proposed changes before they occur. I was amused to see another statement that the HOA is trying to save money (for what?) and that is why they are delegating the maintenance of some common areas to the homeowners.

Another interesting twist: if a tree on a common area threatens to fall on someone's home, then the homeowner has the burden of requesting through the HOA, the development company and the town to have the tree removed at the homeowner's expense! And the homeowner must replace the tree! Is this common?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,
Board of Directors cannot pass amendments to your C.C.&R's The residents must do that. You need to reread the quorum ---2/3rds item again. A quorum of directors is needed to vote on Board decisions or to hold a meeting. In your case, 2/3rds of 3 is 2. Perhaps, to pass an amendment, you must have 2/3rds of the owners to pass an item? This would make more sense. If it says" A quorum of the membership, that would be 2/3rds of all owners OR 2/3rds of votes cast. It depends how it is written. But no Board has the right to change your covenants by amendment by themselves.
MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I've been involved in boards for many years, some small and some large. That's why I was so surprised when I read our covenants and found that the board of directors has complete control. The members can vote for the directors, but the covenants do not state that the members are allowed to vote on any business. I suppose if the board of directors so directs a vote, it could happen. This particular board hasn't done so.
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
What state are you in? I have never heard of a 2/3 vote of the Board to change the covenants either, its usually 2/3 of the members.
MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I'm in South Carolina.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary05,
Why am I not surprised to find you are from SC. You may want to use the search feature and look at some of my posting about SC and HOA's and Condos.

I agree with all that has been said and know that what ever documents you are operating under is not the State Statute, The Corp Laws of SC, the Declaration or the Master Deed or By-laws or this command to mow common areas. I would start by taking your documents to your County Councilman and have him pass comments on what he is reading. He may be evasive but he will tell you some about where to go for adjudication. Go to the county court house and get the original CC&R's and all othe documents filed that established your regime. You can do this on the net by looking at your county records department. While there go to zoning board and ask for a copy of the Master Plan for your area. Go to State Business filings on net and plug in name of your HOA, copy all this stuff.

If I am wrong it won't be the first time but from what I am reading you need to know a lot more than what you do. I would also request a clean copy of your current CC&R's from the Board.

Do you have a management Company? I hope not, as they could be doing a disservice to the Home owners.

Also, a warning. I would request a meeting with the Board and take explicit notes or record the meeting. Also, before you start all this ask around and see if there is anyone else likeminded, get support. You may not need it, who knows?

Once I have gotten as much information as you can gaither quietly, see what sense it makes and above all, be cordial, polite, non-confrontational, and know wexactly what you want to say and the questions you want to ask.

I must add, this is a new one on me.

Let us know.
MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks, Robert, for the good advice. Yes, the HOA contracts with a management company. I can provide you with a website address if you would like to read the covenants, although I would prefer not to print it in this public forum. It looks as if I have a lot of legwork to do. Thanks again. I look forward to searching out your other posts.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
How do you get your e-mail address to someone posting on this site. I think I have done it but right now, I haven't a clue.

For MaryD5
TimH1 (Alabama)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I would seriously doubt that an HOA Board can force a homeowner to maintain landscaping on property that is not legally theirs; there is clearly a liability issue here. One good well placed attorneys letter should rectify that situation quickly. The city attorney may also be of assistance here.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
MaryD5: You need to determine if, indeed, it is the Board (only) who has total authority to change the official documents by creating an amendment to them--this one: to change the responsibility of maintaining a specific area of what is 'common' ground'. Normally, it is by a percentage vote of the unit owners to change the declaration and bylaws, and in this case, it is changing the actual parameters to become homeowner responsibility. Review your covenants to determine if the 'buffer zone' by the pond is stated as common ground, also review your plat plan, and if necessary, check that out with your municipality office.

You need to become clear on what an 'amendment' is to the official documents versus a rule or regulation which the Board can introduce or change. Review your covenants to determine if the 'buffer zone' by the pond is stated as common ground, also review your plat plan, and if necessary, check that out with the Land Development Office at your local municipality. They had to give approval to the developer for the layout of the land and buildings.

IMO, the Board is in error to 'pass' this onto a few homeowners, and they are further wrong in fining if homeowner responsibility is not accepted. Once you get the land development people involved, you should have a clearer understanding of the situation.

Further, based on your statement..."the HOA is trying to save money (for what?) and that is why they are delegating the maintenance of some common areas to the homeowners." --it sounds like they have not opted to cover maintenance costs by 1) raising the assessment fee; 2) contract with a new maintenance vendor who charges less; 3) reduce costs long-term with other planting, horticultural options.

The option they have chosen to use is not a good one, nor IMO, is it valid.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
I would like to see your website. Hoatalk tells me if you go to hot mail and create another e-mail address and post that, I should be able to get the website that way. Then you can just dele the new e-mail if you don't want it. Maybe some other folks her would like to see it.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Welcome back Paul, if you haave been away, and if not, welcome back anyway.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I agree that this amendment is not valid. If the BOD can do this what's next requiring the homeowners to pay for the liability insurance for the section they must maintain?

My question is if the homeowner is required to maintain the area adjacent to their property does it then change from common area which everyone can use to limited common area which is set aside for one households use?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
The CC&R's and the board clearly indicate that this buffer zone is a common area of responsibility and is not restricted to one homeowner's use. It is there for all to enjoy. I, too, am concerned about liability. Some of the homeowners are retirees who have difficulty working along the bank. If they are unable to do the work, they may have to hire a landscaper, so there are additional costs involved. There are alligators on occasion in the pond. This requirment is listed under the rules section of the CC&R's. I need to check out what they mean by buffer zones next to lots and the homeowners' responsibilities for those zones.

If you were interested in moving to my neighborhood, you may want to check out this website that provides a link (on the left side of the page) to the development and the HOA CC&R's:

http://197649mhock.yourkwagent.com/

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary, If what I am hunting for is Coatb, there is no record of CC7R's.
Was this issue addresses at a board meeting?
MaryD5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Sorry, you'll have to navigate some to find them. Click on the Coatbridge neighborhood website link. Once you reach the Coatbridge website, click on FAQ's. Scroll down to find the links to the CC&R's.

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