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TrishS (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I live in a CID in California. Our Association had a vacancy open due to a Board member resignation. In the past when there has been a vacancy the Board typically asked for volunteers and made the appointment in open session. This time around they made the appointment in executive session. When the membership asked why this was done in exec session we were told that Board members are considered personnel and hence fall under the guidelines of exec session per California's Open Meetings Act. I've search the Davis Stirling website and cannot find a definition of personnel or clarification of who is consider an employee or not.

Of course the appointment has caused controversy. It turns out that the individual appointed is NOT a member of our Association; unfortunately our bylaws allow for a non-member to serve on the Board. I happen to know that the appointment was not a unanimous decision and this was one of the reasons. The membership would like to see the official transcript of the discussion of why this individual was chosen; if other members were considered; and what the final vote was.

Any ideas where I might find legal documentation to answer my question?

Thank you!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Trish, a Board member is not personnel. However, when the Board chose to go into executive session they may have used as a reason to discuss "personnel matters". No minutes should be taken in an executive session so there is nothing for you to see. The vote should have been taken in open session and recorded in the minutes. The Board has made a decision and that is final.
TrishS (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you Roger. Another quick question...our Board doesn't adjourn to executive session, rather they have a standing executive session meeting prior to the monthly general session Board meeting. Minutes are taken during the exec session meeting because every month the Board approves the executive session meeting minutes. Our Association does not employ anyone so how could they use this as a reason to discuss the matter in exec session? During the Board meeting the property manager said Board appointments fall under the category of "personnel issues" another member read the legal definition of personnel and asked the property manager why he felt Board appointments were personnel issues? The property manager simply said he disagreed with that definition of an employee, the new Board president told her she had her facts wrong and was misinformed and moved on.

Since we know that minutes exist from executive session and it is clear that this was discussed in exec session in violation of California's Open Meetings Act, do you think there is any easy way to compel them to release this excerpt from the exec session minutes?

The relationship between the Board and membership has become contentious over the past few years. The membership was able to get two new Board members elected during out last election, unfortunately they are still in the minority. So we have two vacancies open this year and two new "old regime" individuals appointed in secret, which is frustrating because the two members elected won overwhelming against the incumbants.

Again, thank you for your insights. I truly appreciate it!

DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
1363.03.(o) The amendments made to this section by the act adding this
subdivision shall become operative on July 1, 2006.

1363.03. (a) An association shall adopt rules, in accordance with
the procedures prescribed by Article 4 (commencing with Section
1357.100) of Chapter 2, that do all of the following:

1363.03.(3) Specify the qualifications for candidates for the board of
directors and any other elected position, and procedures for the
nomination of candidates, consistent with the governing documents. A
nomination or election procedure shall not be deemed reasonable if it
disallows any member of the association from nominating himself or
herself for election to the board of directors.

The only hope you have of effecting a change, is if the election rules have not been adopted, then the members can have the change made in the bylaws, for member only directors, because at it is now, the phrase "consistent with the governing documents" would seem to allow your current situation.

TrishS (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hi Dane -- Unfortunately the election procedures have been adopted. I believe it is time to start working on revising the Bylaws and CC&Rs. I've tried to point out that just because you can do something doesn't mean it's the wisest course of action and that you should do it.

I'm just wondering if there is a way to compel the Board to relese a section of the executive committee meeting minutes since they clearly discussed something in exec session that should have been an open session item.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
TrishS,
Knowing nothing about CA laws and such, this may be off base but it could work to do several things. Who would be your elective, city, town, county of a public officer. Mine would be a county councilman. I would keep your question as direct as you post it here. Call him/her up, say you would like to drop by their office as you have a question of a legal matter that you feel is being violated. Ask that they get a opinion on your question and inform you in writing. They will probably Tap Dance but also ask it they can't help you by giving you the name to see at the next level and mention that you will be using their name as an introduction to whoever they send you to.

You might get lucky and run across a person that will write your board about their actions. It can work better than a lawyer letter sometimes. If, what the board is doing is suspect they will back off to get out of the spot light. It is fast becoming necessary that HO are going to have to turn to public officials to make some changes, and when you consider this, over the years HOA's and condo's don't seem to consider anything other than what the board tells them or fails to tell them, or what a jumbles up mess of CC&R's that serve to do nothing except bred conflicts because they are woefully written.

Case in point would be Florida who now has an Ombudsman and a state office for mediation and resolution and even then the mess is still as confusing as ever. The creation of these offices is certainly a step in the right direction, but they are still faced with solving the unsolvable when useing the different CC&R.'s.

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