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BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
At the November's Board meeting the president requested the chairman of the nominating committee (the vice-president) give a preliminary report of the nominating committee at the December Board meeting. I am on the nominating committee. The Vice-President never had a nominating committee meeting. Two hours before the board meeting I found a flyer in my box stating that he and the other Board member whose term is up are willing to serve again. I was not a happy camper.

I don't forget the exact order of thinks but I was at the Board meeting as an owner. I let it be know that there was no committee meeting. The Vice-President then made the statement that we are having a meeting now. When he was told this was not a nominating committee meeting he said we don't need a meeting. I said O yes we do.

The President then gave him another week to have a nominating committee meeting and get the report to her. Our annual meeting is in February and the notice of the meeting will probably go out in January.

The Board meeting was December 16, 2019 and as of today he has not called a meeting.

This Board member has caused multiple problems for the four other Board members and other Board members do not want him on the Board but do not want to vote him off since he has already caused so much division in our association.

I have at least one and possibly two other people that I want to nominate to be on the ballot to be voted on the Board.

I have told a couple of Board members that they may have to vote this rogue member off the Board.

Since I am not longer on the Board, I don't post on this site as much as I used to post on this site.Thank
Thanks for letting me vent.

Former President.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
"This Board member has caused multiple problems for the four other Board members and other Board members do not want him on the Board but do not want to vote him off since he has already caused so much division in our association."

Wow, they don't want to vote him off because he causes trouble for your association. Sounds to me like you have a much bigger problem than this guy.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Welcome back, Bonnie.

First, do your governing documents, probably your bylaws, require a Nominating Committee? If so, what is it supposed to do, i.e., what are its duties?

Can't the board on its own put out a invitation for candidates with materials required, say, a Candidates Statement, qualifications if any, and deadline to apply? What do you bylaws say about how to become a board member? How has your HOA & Board done it in the past?

Next, your board probably cannot vote this man off of the board unless they appointed him to it. Generally the Owners (Members) vote for directors so Owners would have to vote him off via a recall election which is a little difficult.

But the board did vote for him as VP and can vote him out of that position. They also can vote him off of the Nominating Committee.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Do your bylaws call for a nominating committee? (I assume they do.)

Do your bylaws allow people to nominate themselves from the floor during the annual meeting?

There are some states that have actually outlawed nominating committees since they can be misused to keep people out (Florida and California, I think). And if people can nominate themselves, they can bypass the committee altogether, making it an unnecessary formality. In cases like this, I can understand the board doing just enough to comply with the letter of the law and then moving on to other things. (My association's attorney recommended doing exactly that until we amend our bylaws to get rid of the committee altogether.)

BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Our documents state that the nominating committee nominates people to be placed on the ballot at the annual meeting. The committee must nominate as many people as their are open places on the Board but can nominate more. There is no limit to the number of people that can be nominated.

I would have to review our documents but I believe they state that Board Members can vote a person off the Board.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Yes our By-Laws call for a nominating committee. Nominations can also be taken at our annual meeting. A person could nominate themselves but usually someone else makes the nomination.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I think nominating committees are still ok in Florida.

In my experience there are rarely enough volunteers to be Directors.

9) ELECTIONS AND BOARD VACANCIES.—
(a) Elections of directors must be conducted in accordance with the procedures set forth in the governing documents of the association. Except as provided in paragraph (b), all members of the association are eligible to serve on the board of directors, and a member may nominate himself or herself as a candidate for the board at a meeting where the election is to be held; provided, however, that if the election process allows candidates to be nominated in advance of the meeting, the association is not required to allow nominations at the meeting. An election is not required unless more candidates are nominated than vacancies exist. If an election is not required because there are either an equal number or fewer qualified candidates than vacancies exist, and if nominations from the floor are not required pursuant to this section or the bylaws, write-in nominations are not permitted and such qualified candidates shall commence service on the board of directors, regardless of whether a quorum is attained at the annual meeting. Except as otherwise provided in the governing documents, boards of directors must be elected by a plurality of the votes cast by eligible voters. Any challenge to the election process must be commenced within 60 days after the election results are announced.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We have Election Rules that state that no one running for the Board or related to such a person may be on the Nominating Committee.

Do your bylaws say anything about that? Otherwise, current board members can simply appoint themselves to the Nominating Committee and nominate only themselves if, say, there are only two openings, or a buddy if more openings.

How do Owners vote in your HOA Bonne? Must they be present in person or by proxy at the annual meeting? Or do you have mail-in (absentee) ballots too?

I think I really you're a senior community so I imagine most owners live in your multi-story units, right? Remind me how many there are.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By BonnieG1 on 12/21/2019 2:32 PM
The President then gave him another week to have a nominating committee meeting and get the report to her. Our annual meeting is in February and the notice of the meeting will probably go out in January.

The Board meeting was December 16, 2019 and as of today he has not called a meeting.

Hi Bonnie

In your shoes, I would email all the member of the Board and all the members of the nominating committee individually, with a copy to your MC.

In the email, I would identify the names of the individuals that I wanted to put forward as candidates.

I see no reason why you need to wait for someone to call a meeting.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Normally, the Nomination Committee finds qualified people to fill the board candidate positions. They make sure all nominees are in good standing.

There can be More nominees than vacancies.

Just let the Members vote.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bonnie

If candidates can be nominated from the floor, there is no need for a nominating committee. Disband it.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Look ... sometimes, perhaps even most times, NCs are used as a committee to stir up candidates ... in other words, to recruit.

This function might be really necessary in an apathetic HOA ... disbanding it might be counterproductive.

Many times there are folks in an HOA who don’t want to be on the Board, but are willing to recruit for other functions .,,
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think, John, that if the bylaws require a NC, there has to be one. Ours require one, but all they do is confirm that the candidates who apply are really owners in good standing via a 5 minute meeting with our PM. We'll eliminate the NC when we rewrite our bylaws.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 12/22/2019 9:35 AM
Look ... sometimes, perhaps even most times, NCs are used as a committee to stir up candidates ... in other words, to recruit.

This function might be really necessary in an apathetic HOA ... disbanding it might be counterproductive.

Many times there are folks in an HOA who don’t want to be on the Board, but are willing to recruit for other functions .,,

Then amend the bylaws to make the nominating committee ad hoc, to be used when and as needed.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Ad hoc gets forgotten, or delayed ... then, doesn’t happen.

My several HOAs have used NCs effectively with zero issues.

NCs help offload work from the Board, as well.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I know we've strayed from your concerns, Bonnie. Are you still with us?

Since you're a member of this nominating committee, maybe you can call a NC meeting. But would the others show up? Is it just you and the VP?

If they refuse to meet, write a short report to the president and ask that the board disband the NC an appoint new members. Perhaps others here will have ideas for you.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Since the President gave the Vice-President (chair of the nominating committee meeting) another week to convene a meeting I think she is planning on either naming another chair or chairing it herself. There are many owners who want this man off the Board. I think the other four members of the Board are hoping that he will be voted off at the annual meeting.

However there are some owners who think he is the only Board Member doing anything. When he does very little except cause discord in our community. It appears he is just trying to "get a feather in his cap>"

Last Monday at the Board meeting parking issues began to be discussed. He made the statement that when he moved in he was promised two parking spaces. I could not let that lie go. I told him he was never allowed two parking places. What he was allowed was a vehicle for each licensed driver parked anywhere on the property. I was president when this resolution was passed. The President had a copy of the resolution and agreed with me.

I don't think this man knows he is lying. I think he believes what he is saying is the truth.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
Our documents specify that a member of the board must chair the nominating committee which includes other people who are not on the Board.
Our By-Laws don't say anything about someone running for the Board or related to someone running for the Board being on the committee. I think this is a good rule. I can not in good conscience nominate the chair of the committee. This puts me in an awkward situation. But I think the President is helping me out of this situation.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
You got that right about people not wanting to be on the Board. In this senior facility it is almost impossible to find someone able and willing to be on the Board. We have people who are able but not willing. If it weren't for my health, I would run for the Board again to help get this man off the Board. But being a cancer survivor with multiple other health conditions I know I could not handle the responsibilities. Some days I feel as though nothing is wrong with me and other days I feel my time on earth is limited.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
I respectfully disagree with you. I think one should be given more time to think about being a Board Member than just being nominated at the annual meeting. Also our documents call for both a nominating committee and allowing nominations from the floor.

Granted on year when I was not on the committee, I did ask people if they were nominated at the annual meeting would they be willing to serve. But not many people would try to recruit the way I day that year.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bonnie

Do not intertwine your not wanting one BOD Member to re-run with the need for a nominating committee. He is already on the BOD. He does not to be nominated. He just needs to decide if he wants to re-run or not. A nomination committee's job is not to keep people from running. At best its job is to beg people to run and be sure those it nominates are qualified to run, as in not behind on dues.

As we allow nominations form the floor, we ignore our Bylaws about nomination committee. In our case our PM and Secretary decide if a person nominated is qualified as in not behind on dues prior to the election. There was one case where a nominee was called aside and privately told he could not run as he was delinquent in his dues. He thanked the person that nominated him then he withdrew. At one Annual Meeting I was nominated to be on the BOD and I declined the nomination but I got to say why. Another story......LOL
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 12/22/2019 3:18 PM
A nomination committee's job is not to keep people from running.

The depends on who you ask. You're right, in principle, but in practice nominating committees have been used by entrenched boards for years as a tool to maintain control of the board and not let "undesirables" get on it. Abuse was rampant in my state and when the state legislature outlawed nominating committees in condo associations, that was explicitly one of the reasons. Boards would pack the nominating committees with friends who they knew wouldn't choose any candidates that might want to shake things up.

The Bylaws of my HOA require the use of a nominating committee. The HOA statute says unless the Bylaws say otherwise, nominations must be allowed from the floor at the annual meeting. The purpose of the latter is to counter the possibility of a rogue nominating committee from stacking the deck against candidates they don't like. It makes it almost impossible to use absentee or mail-in ballots.

Our Bylaws also provide a template "standard" agenda for the Annual Meeting. The last item before the actual election is "Report of the Nominating Committee". It reads as though the members were not to be advised in advance of who was actually going to be nominated until the meeting itself.

These days, no one ever wants to be on the Nominating Committee, and when someone does finally volunteer, the committee's function is only to contact members to ask and cajole them into being a candidate for the BoD. So we have a Nominating Committee, but since its purpose is not spelled out anywhere in the Bylaws, we don't really have one as such.

Clear Bylaws are key.

BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
We should have a report of the nominating committee at the annual meeting. But I am thinking that we the notice goes out announcing the meeting that the people who have been nominated my the nominating committee would be listed in the notice of the annual meeting. The President and I are going to have a chat tomorrow. If the chair has not called a meeting by 5 P.M. tomorrow she will appoint herself as chair and we will schedule a meeting including the other member of the nominating committee.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bonnie

If you insist of having a nominating committee, at least when the Annual Meeting notice goes out and it lists those approved by the nominating committee also include that nominations for the BOD will also be accepted at the Annual Meeting.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I agree with Sue - I've always thought nominating committee e were a waste of time amyway, especially if Bonnie's community allows nominations from the floor. Why can't HOW's simply announced the meeting, state how many spots are up, who's running for re-election, and proceed accordingly?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
They COULD - assuming there are volunteers sufficient.

We use NC for recruitment of new Board members ... sometimes it's useful, and sometimes not.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By SheliaH on 12/23/2019 9:15 AM
I agree with Sue - I've always thought nominating committee e were a waste of time amyway, especially if Bonnie's community allows nominations from the floor. Why can't HOW's simply announced the meeting, state how many spots are up, who's running for re-election, and proceed accordingly?

Basically, this is how we do it in that we announce how many spots are up for election and invite any owner in good standing to run for the BOD. Our docs call for a nominating committee, which we ignore.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
I prefer our members know who will be on the ballot prior to the annual meeting. This does not eliminate the possibility of someone being nominated from the floor at the annual meeting. On a side note, we have special needs people who are owners in our senior living facility. This makes it even harder to get owners as Board members.
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
That is the biggest problem we have with this rogue Board member. He ignores our documents. I don't think it is just that he ignores the documents; I don't think he even know what the documents say. The letter about self nominating was put in each resident's box even renters. He apparently after being on the Board three years does not know that renter's can not be Board members. We are still bound by the older condominium laws. The landlords (owners) did not get a copy of this letter. It was delivered two hours prior to the Board meeting where he was to give a preliminary report of the nominating committee.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Failure to give proper notice is sort of a big deal.

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