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ElinM (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
This is a Large Full City Block Building with over 400 units. Most units have Balconies, and 20 units have oversized patios. 10'x20'
We have ask all residents to remove items from from balconies and patios to put up scaffolding, repair and paint exterior. The exterior work could take a full year. The 20 large units are up in arms over where to put all their outdoor furniture.

We have said the cost is on homeown, however, the owns say to pay for storage is more than the furniture cost and to have to give it away or sell it dirt cheap on craigslist is wrong and they'll sue.
Does anyone have any insight on this?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Don't worry about legal actions until they are actually filed.

The homeowners can put the items in storage or move them inside.

The Association only needs to worry about the repairs, etc.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 10/21/2019 1:12 PM
Don't worry about legal actions until they are actually filed.

The homeowners can put the items in storage or move them inside.

The Association only needs to worry about the repairs, etc.

I agree.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We have one sq. blk containing two 25 story towers. The towers were painted a couple of years ago. Each tower has 150 balconies on floors 3 & up, while the lower floors are decks and the ground floors are patios of varying sizes.

Work on or at each balcony only took a few days. We/the painters agreed large heavy items could stay in the very center of the balcony while the workers were on it? Everything else was moved inside.

How tall is your building? Why must scaffolding be used instead of swing-stages as we used? Are you saying that the entire building must be covered by scaffolding for an entire year? Surely only one elevation (face) will be worked on at a time = 4 months per elevation?

Why is the scaffolding actually on the balconies? They do extend out from the building, right? If they do not, they are not balconies, but decks.

In all of the high rise condos around my neighborhood, none have been covered with scaffolding for weeks let a lone a year for painting or IF they have, it's been one section (or "drop") at a time for short duration.

There seems to be some missing information here. Have you actually read the contract? Are you on the board, Elin?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
With Tim & John, ignore the owners with too much stuff to put in their units. That isn't the HOA's problem. It's similar to having to termite a big property. How owners deal with their own plants, pets, lodging & food is on them.

Several of them might want to consider joining together to rent a storage locker.

Residents have their own storage lockers, right?
ElinM (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
thanks for the input, and for ignoring the unfortunate typo's
Yes these are patios and the scaffolding will sit on them. Imagine a gigantic H sitting on a City block with patios all around the lower level.

The patio's are the same size as the tiny units, thus, bringing everything from outdoors in is impossible unless you want to make your home a storage unit.
No aren't storage lockers for each homeowner, which is standard in many high rises and the few rentalable storage lockers in the building might hold golf clubs or a bike but not a 20x10' patio of furniture.

The exterior is going through a major facelift, it is more than a simple paint job, it was built in 2005 and the developer cut corners, these short cuts need correcting.

The patio units are upset - 6-12 months of storage for the size of unit needed to house furniture and the owners have paid double for there patio furniture.

I was wondering how other like buildings handle this. While I sympathize, the HOA cannot pay for this and I can't find anything in HOA docs or online regarding clearing of patios for exterior work and cost involved.

thank you for the input and advise.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
It doesn't matter that some Owners have too many personal possessions to store in their units during the work. The only relief for them that MIGHT exist is if your construction defect litigation settlement includes relocation of residents' possessions during the reconstruction to cure the defects.

Also consider that you have an annual operations budget and annual contributions to reserves that are contributed by all Owners' dues. Both generally cover only common area expenses. The board/Association generally is responsible only for the common areas. Why should all owners (the Association) pay for the storage of these few residents' personal possessions?

As I wrote above, it's the same thing as if the building must be tented for termites: residents are on their own. Here is one relevant Calif. Civ. Code.
Davis-stirling.com: Civil Code ยง4775. "HOA and Owner Maintenance Responsibilities. ... (b) The costs of temporary relocation during the repair and maintenance of the areas within the responsibility of the association shall be borne by the owner of the separate interest affected."

In our urban neighborhood, all condo high rise units have their own storage lockers, so I guess we're different than your area, Elin.

Say, Elin, have you read the contract with the vendor who'll do the work? Does it really say the entire structure will be covered with scaffolding for a year? I just cannot see why that's necessary. It did take a year to do our twin towers and there also was a lot of spalling and corrective work done on the concrete structures, but based on my own experience and that of the buildings I see all around me, being covered a by scaffolding for a year seems really unusual & strange.

Hardly any posters here are from high rises, so you won't get much more, I don't think.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You now, Elin? I think I misunderstood you. Is it the case that scaffolding will surround the entire ground floor for a year? Not the entire budding and all the floors?

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