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MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I'll try to keep this brief as I can but any immediate advise would be great as our HOA meets 9/18/2019.

Our HOA is meeting to discuss the dissolution of our HOA (30 homes).

Our developer canceled the old useless HOA and set up his own useless HOA through another company he may be affiliated with.

Our developer has been sued by his partners, and the partners won. We met with the partners last month, and they stated the developer no longer has any legal holdings over us, that he is out, and we should stop paying HOA fees until a later time when the pool facilities is built. The partners are in the process of selling the remaining land to another developer in mid-Ocotber.

Most of us have stopped paying HOA fees starting Sep 1 based on the partner's recommendation. The partners believe the developer was/is pocketing some of the money and has no legal authority to continue to control the HOA. Late fees will now apply to all of us, but the partners continue to say the developer has no legal authority to collect them.

Questions:
Can the homeowners decide on dissolving our HOA (or just the fees) until the pool is built?
Can we legally stop paying our monthly feeS?

Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By MickB1 on 09/17/2019 9:39 PM

Can the homeowners decide on dissolving our HOA (or just the fees) until the pool is built?

The HOA is created through the deed restrictions, aka the covenants.

To dissolve the HOA, you must amend the deed restrictions to do so.
You would need the developer to agree.
You would need to sell all common area.
You would likely need County/City permission as well (as agreements were likely made to create the development).

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/17/2019 9:39 PM

Can we legally stop paying our monthly feeS?

Legally? For that you need to talk to an attorney.

If you stop paying assessments, you will likely incur late charges. Worst case, you home will be liened for non-payment and the lien may lead to foreclosure.

My advise, gather support and get legal advice. Perhaps paying assessments into an escrow account which is turned over to the HOA once the legalities of the developers are resolved. Do this only after you talk with an attorney in order to do it properly
PaulJ6
Posts: 990
Posted:
TimB4's advice is very good.

It sounds like the lawsuit was between the developer/partners. Any absolution of responsibility for anything may relate only to matters between them. Your HOA and owners may still be on the hook for things. I would talk to a lawyer before ceasing to perform any obligations.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 09/17/2019 11:58 PM
Posted By MickB1 on 09/17/2019 9:39 PM

Can the homeowners decide on dissolving our HOA (or just the fees) until the pool is built?


The HOA is created through the deed restrictions, aka the covenants.

To dissolve the HOA, you must amend the deed restrictions to do so.
You would need the developer to agree.
You would need to sell all common area.
You would likely need County/City permission as well (as agreements were likely made to create the development).

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/17/2019 9:39 PM

Can we legally stop paying our monthly feeS?


Legally? For that you need to talk to an attorney.

If you stop paying assessments, you will likely incur late charges. Worst case, you home will be liened for non-payment and the lien may lead to foreclosure.

My advise, gather support and get legal advice. Perhaps paying assessments into an escrow account which is turned over to the HOA once the legalities of the developers are resolved. Do this only after you talk with an attorney in order to do it properly

I agree.
MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks for the responses. To clarify, we do not have any common areas. The developer was removed but his partner would agree to modify the deed. We don't mind keeping the HOA but want to stop paying fees.

The new HOA was not legally setup correctly from what I understand. New state laws indicate the developer has to provide declaration and bylaws, recent approved minutes, recent budget and financial statement, and other items but has not. All of us received an email telling us to start paying some company 300 miles away.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Mick,
Your original post asked this question below.

Questions:
Can the homeowners decide on dissolving our HOA (or just the fees) until the pool is built?
Can we legally stop paying our monthly feeS?

You must have Common area if you are talking about putting a Community Pool in somewhere. I doubt a homeowners personal pool.

Please clarify.
MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
There is no common area yet. We are in phase 1. Common areas will be developed at a later time under other phases.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By MickB1 on 09/18/2019 9:48 AM

To clarify, we do not have any common areas.

As Mark pointed out, you do have common areas. They may or may not be developed, but the are likely identified as common areas on the PLAT for the development.

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/18/2019 9:48 AM

The developer was removed but his partner would agree to modify the deed.

You don't know that. You stated earlier that the partner was looking to sell to a new developer.
Additionally, since there is common area, you would need the County/City to agree to modify the PLAT to remove said common areas.

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/18/2019 9:48 AM

We don't mind keeping the HOA but want to stop paying fees.

I'd like to stop paying fees as well.
It's simply not going to happen.

If you really want to stop paying fees, sell and move to a non HOA development.

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/18/2019 9:48 AM

The new HOA was not legally setup correctly from what I understand.

Don't rely on rumors (or opinions on the internet) to determine what is or isn't legal.
Contact an attorney to find out.

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/18/2019 9:48 AM

New state laws indicate the developer has to provide declaration and bylaws, recent approved minutes, recent budget and financial statement, and other items but has not.

The Declaration, aka deed restriction, exists and is (should) be available at your local property office. Bylaws may or may not exist.

Typically, and I have not done research on TX law, the other documents need to be provided for review if asked for. If you haven't asked for to review the documents (in writing) then the HOA doesn't have to provide them (although, many do). If you have asked and were refused, take the issue to the courts to force compliance.

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Posted By MickB1 on 09/18/2019 9:48 AM

All of us received an email telling us to start paying some company 300 miles away.

From what I understand in reading your posts, this is the issue.

One person, the main one who was interacting with the members, said to send money to xxxx.

The partners with that person said not to send the money there.

Again, you need to consult an attorney to know your best options.
If everyone gets together and shares the cost, your share should be minimal.
MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks for the great input. It helps a lot.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Was this an LLC with the developer and the partners? I am sure they were incorporated entity of some sort. A HOA is typically a non profit but not charitable corporation. It is to spend as much as it spends. So not paying dues doesn't exactly fund a HOA.

It could be this was an LLC and the partners are now forming another LLC amongst themselves. It isn't clear if the developer who left was just a partner and then the other partners took over ownership. Which then they may want the dues to go to a new management company soon. Which is why they may say not to pay till that is worked out.

Former HOA President
MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I think it is an LLC. 45 of us are holding a meeting tonight to discuss what we want to do. All are in agreement to stop payments to a crook. There were three partners. Our developer did not put a penny of his money into the project but happily spent the other two partners money and got sued. The two partners have stated we are not to have an HOA until the pool facilities are built in about a year.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Well, your talking about a world of people saying dont pay him, dont do this, but in reality the legal world is based on legal paperwork. So if you have dues that are owed to XXX they are legally due, and you will loose in court by listening to advice if your only evidence is something someone said.

You need legal advice from a lawyer.

And yes, it obviously sounds like you own land somewhere to put the pool..... in common with other hoa members..... thus its called a common area. Doesnt matter what is on it. You may own other common areas as well.

You have so much to learn about your community, but at least you took the first step and posted here. From the sound of it, it going to get messy. Good luck.
MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I agree with all you said. I know nothing about HOAs and don't want any part of this mess but trying to find out what I can before our meeting. Thank you!
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
You would honestly need to talk to an attorney that specializes in HOA. When it comes down to tit for tat, you are under contract to pay your assessments or risk having a lien files against your home and or have your home foreclosed upon. The community I live in had the developer file BK early in the build stage. two more developers stepped up and it took nearly 7 years to sell a little over 300 homes.

Do you have a property manage thats not related to your developer? What do they say about the situation. Something I don't understand is, why is the developer waiting until the end to build the pool? Usually developers lay out the chicken fee aka amenities to attract buyers not lay out the picture this routine.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mick

Not to play lawyer but, someone is entitled to your dues and until the whole issue is settled, it would be wise to pay those dues. I would consider setting up an escrow account and pay the dues to the account.
MickB1 (Utah)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Our take on why we don't want to pay dues is because the developer no longer has any legal authority to ask a company to collect our dues, however, that company is paying our useless contractor for front yard services. In our meeting last night most have agreed to pay dues for another 2 months or until the new developer takes over.

We will soon have another meeting and arrange for an HOA lawyer to provide some free advice and possible setting up an escrow account if we need to go that route later.

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