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LanceG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 97
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I've seen this come up and from past threads the norm seems to be (if money is allocated) in the 1% of the total annual budget range (occasionally going up to 3%). Has this changed or are others typically keeping things in that range still?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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I'd say it's more like 0% to 1%.

In our case, the BOD has allocated 1% for discretionary spending. Some of it goes to social activities, but it mostly goes to other things like training, organization memberships, donations to fire/police, etc.

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KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By LanceG1 on 08/19/2019 11:11 AM
I've seen this come up and from past threads the norm seems to be (if money is allocated) in the 1% of the total annual budget range (occasionally going up to 3%). Has this changed or are others typically keeping things in that range still?

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Hi Lance,

How your HOA budgets for social events is wholly dependent on the culture of your community. My master association's "social committee budget" is zero dollars and there isn't such a committee. Our community wants core services maintained with annual dues increases capped to the year's inflation rate. However, some communities are quite happy and expect organized social events (my mother's condos, for instance) and the events are very nice!
LanceG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 97
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Hi Kelly,

I completely agree that the exact amounts depend on the community etc.. I'm just trying to get a better understanding as to the customary range that places are allocating for this. For example your mother's condo is probably bringing in a lot more revenue than some single family home associations without amenities or a gate so if they are doing 1% of their budget that may be giving them a lot for their events.

Is there a percentage of the budget allocated towards social that can or should set off red flags? To add context as to my own association, it is one with no gates and 130 homes. The only amenities are cameras and a fairly short wooded walking trail. There is no other common land that can be used for events, clubhouses buildings etc..

Lance
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Don't think there is a "red flag" limit on social committee expenses per se. Most HOA's you either fund them or you don't. We don't believe in funding any social events. Not even coffee or snacks at a meeting. I don't think spending the member's money on these items are necessary out of the budget. The HOA budget is to be set up to have dues match up what the HOA spends on maintenance/utilities/amentities/insurance/legal/reserve funds.

Now some HOA's have it set up for a social club activities. Those are usually allocated to the social committee. So they have to do with the budget the HOA general budget gives them. Those committees would be where the red flags be located. They shouldn't be money making. Just to cover the expenses of the events.

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LanceG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 97
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What about un-budgeted amounts? IE: no social committee budget, but the board allocates funds as requested with no guidelines? Theoretically surplus HOA funds?

SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
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If one if the missions of the organization is social, then a social committee can be formed to put on events , etc. This might be found in the bylaws.

Otherwise, there’s no commitment or obligation from the board to fund or sponsor community- building activities. Some hoas have side social groups not funded or sanctioned. They are on their own.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
If one if the missions of the organization is social, then a social committee can be formed to put on events , etc. This might be found in the bylaws.

Otherwise, there’s no commitment or obligation from the board to fund or sponsor community- building activities. Some hoas have side social groups not funded or sanctioned. They are on their own.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By LanceG1 on 08/19/2019 2:01 PM
I completely agree that the exact amounts depend on the community etc.. I'm just trying to get a better understanding as to the customary range that places are allocating for this.

I don't think there is any "customary range". Each situation is unique. I also don't understand what "red flags" you're worried about. Homeowners grumbling?

My HOA of 100 homes had a small social committee budget of $200 a few years ago. Some homeowners complained and we eliminated the budget line for the social committee last year. (They still complain.)

I know of a few hi-rise condos in Ft. Lauderdale and Miami that have annual budgets for social events that top $20,000. I have no idea what kind of activities they have, but they do budget a significant chunk of money for them. Yes, there are more well-heeled owners there.

So I'd suggest, pick a number. Half a percent? Point-one percent? I don't know. Is that even a reasonable way to get to a number? I think you're on your own. Some people will never be satisfied. Just make sure it's all accounted for at the end of the day.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Surplus of HOA funds???? That should never exist...

What is the issue? Is it just all theory? Otherwise, a social committee is either funded or not funded by the HOA. If it isn't then it raises it's own money. If it is, then the committee approaches the board with it's expenses needed. There should be no "surplus" of money. You pay out what you need and what is collected.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Where I lived, we had annual budgets of $20K-$30K for social and not one penny came from homeowners.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By LanceG1 on 08/19/2019 2:01 PM
Hi Kelly,

I completely agree that the exact amounts depend on the community etc.. I'm just trying to get a better understanding as to the customary range that places are allocating for this. For example your mother's condo is probably bringing in a lot more revenue than some single family home associations without amenities or a gate so if they are doing 1% of their budget that may be giving them a lot for their events.

Is there a percentage of the budget allocated towards social that can or should set off red flags? To add context as to my own association, it is one with no gates and 130 homes. The only amenities are cameras and a fairly short wooded walking trail. There is no other common land that can be used for events, clubhouses buildings etc..

Lance

Lance,

It's not a percentage, it's a sentiment of the people who'd be forced to pay money for HOA-endorsed social events. A red flag could arise if you're going to propose increasing dues to fund events. A red flag should be raised if you're proposing diverting funds away from camera maintenance, tree/landscaping (for the path) and camera replacement (when they age out).

I'd say 0% is "customary" for HOAs that only maintain very basic amenities or are passive because their amenities generally have long shelf-lives. You need to poll or gauge your neighborhood appetite for increasing expenses for social events using money derived from the forced payment by property owners.

Condos are very communal by nature and thus generally accept organized socialized. If you have 130 single family homes, and no clubhouse, then an HOA social budget would be ripe for small scale corruption because the community isn't literally tied together in multi-family buildings.

Talk to the entire community, not us crusty HOA board members.

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