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JenniferT5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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We live in NC.

We are in the process of selling our townhouse, which we have owned for more than 15 years. At the last meeting, the HOA proposed that they would like to consider "requiring" a meeting with the buyer prior to the close of the sale. We are opposed to this for a variety of reasons. We understand the spirit and intent of what they are wanting to do, which is why I have recommended they do a welcome packet and bake the new homeowner a pie - but I digress.

There was a thread on this same question, but it's more than about four years old, and I like to keep information a little more current.

First, is this even legal to require prior to the sale of a home, which is a private transaction?

Second, I would imagine that having a meeting with someone prior to closing, if anything from that meeting resulted in the buyer walking away from the meeting, could potentially open the HOA up for a lawsuit?

Any help specific to NC would be appreciated. We have had a lot of issues of late, which is partially why we are selling. It was a great first home when we first got married. Then we moved to something larger, but the market crashed so we had to use it as a rental for a long time until the market recovered. We were very fortunate to have some amazing renters, but the HOA took a turn in the last five years and they have been seriously overreaching, and we consulted an attorney about a year ago related to some changes they were making relevant to not allowing renters at all and some sketchy "approval" processes that I felt like bordered on violating the fair labor standards - or at the very least opened the HOA up for a lawsuit.

We just want out. This new addition is the last thing we want to deal with, as I feel it would be very off-putting for potential buyers.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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The board may want this, but they can't force you to comply unless state law or your governing documents state that such a meeting is required. Selling your home is, as you noted, a private transaction. The only time the HOA should be involved is in providing a certificate with required disclosures (such as verifying that you're up to date in paying your assessments). The HOA must provide this info, so they can't refuse to do so if you decline to arrange the meeting they want.

The idea of a welcome packet for new homeowners is a good one, and many HOAs actually do provide them.

AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By JenniferT5 on 07/28/2019 1:55 PM
We live in NC. ... At the last meeting, the HOA proposed that they would like to consider "requiring" a meeting with the buyer prior to the close of the sale.


I agree with you that if the HOA says something not legally allowed, and the deal falls through, the HOA may be liable for this, under say "clouding title" or "tortious interference with a contract."

I agree with CathyA3 that the HOA is permitted to do only what North Carolina laws require by way of disclosure. It appears to me that North Carolina statute 47E-4 may apply. If so, it appears the statute requires the seller to provide the buyer a "an owners' association and mandatory covenants disclosure statement." The disclosure looks to me to require certain input from the HOA. Your realtor should know more.

I see nothing in North Carolina law that lets a board require a meeting between a potential buyer and the HOA Board.

I'd consult my realtor. If the realtor agrees with the above, then I would draft a short letter saying something like the following:

Dear Board of Directors,

My spouse and I decline scheduling a meeting between the HOA Board and the buyers with whom our unit is under contract. Under the supervision of a licensed real estate agent, we will of course be complying with all disclosures required under the law. If you have any questions, please call our agent or us.

Thank you,

John and Jane Smith
Owners, Unit ___
___, North Carolina ___
Phone:
Email:

Real Estate Agent name and phone number:
PaulJ6
Posts: 990
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Posted By CathyA3 on 07/28/2019 2:58 PM
The board may want this, but they can't force you to comply unless state law or your governing documents state that such a meeting is required. Selling your home is, as you noted, a private transaction. The only time the HOA should be involved is in providing a certificate with required disclosures (such as verifying that you're up to date in paying your assessments). The HOA must provide this info, so they can't refuse to do so if you decline to arrange the meeting they want.

The idea of a welcome packet for new homeowners is a good one, and many HOAs actually do provide them.


Exactly.

Sounds like the HOA thinks it's a NYC co-op, for which buyers have to get approved by the board and submit all sorts of information.

I'd tell the HOA to get lost.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Jennifer wrote: "the HOA proposed that they would like to consider 'requiring' a meeting with the buyer prior to the close of the sale." One hopes they've checked with their HOA attorney by now for advice.

For now, there seems to be no such rule with this intrusive requirement, so keep some version of Augustin's letter on ice. I don't know the statutes in NC or the bylaws of this HOA, but it could be the Board would have to propose this new rule, send it our for owners' comments or who knows? It's possible that it'll just go on next month's agenda and get approved by the Board?? And that's all that's needed? Kelly of NC might chime in with some insights.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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The letter Aug proposed sounds good, but one from the OP's attorney citing potential tortious interference will get their attention and make them run for the hills.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It is not the HOA's responsibility or scope. I'd tell them to stay in their lane.

Former HOA President
JenniferT5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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Where were all of you amazing people about a year ago?! Wish I had found this group then! Thank you so much for your very quick and insightful feedback. I don't claim to know everything, and I am certainly not an attorney, but based on my experience, so many of the people in our small town seem to be willing to just check their rights at the door, and I'm not willing to do that. It cost me some time and a attorney several months ago, but it was worth it to squash the issue at hand, at least until we can sell our place, and then they can do whatever they want! Again, thank you! I will keep the letter on hand should they decide to push the issue.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Many states prohibit an unreasonable Restraint on Alienation. Unless interviews with potential buyers are allowed by your CC&Rs, requiring such an interview may be just that. The association can't just make stuff up and subject sellers and buyers to restrictions not mentioned in the CC&Rs. Tortious interference is also a claim you might be able to make.
JZ2 (Florida)
Posts: 52
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GenoS,

Even if the CC&Rs allow it, it may still be an unenforceable restraint on alienation.

JenniferT5,

There is a fair amount of Florida case law on the subject, but I can't speak to NC law on the subject. I would, however, ask them to inform you where the Board's legal authority to conduct such pre-sale interviews is set forth. The Board may then back off without requiring you to spend money seeking legal advice.

Good luck!
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Absolutely, JZ2. The restrictions have to be reasonable and, as you point out, there is a lot of case law to consider. And NC isn't Florida (where is?) but restraint on alienation isn't just a concept in Florida. It may very well be interpreted in wildly different ways on a state-by-state basis.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By JZ2 on 07/29/2019 6:44 AM
I would, however, ask them to inform you where the Board's legal authority to conduct such pre-sale interviews is set forth. The Board may then back off without requiring you to spend money seeking legal advice.

Good luck!

Agree with this 110%.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.

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