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AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
The HOA is responsible for the repair of the exterior buildings as needed. I have sent two letters to the officers (President of the board and the Treasurer) over a two week period to the HOA (e-mail and certified letter) about a repair to a small section of siding (wood) on the side of my building (end unit condo) exposing some insulation that has been caused by external forces that is also spelled out very clearly in the letter. I don't want insects/rodents or moisture, mold, or rot to get inside. I have not received a response to the letter nor a call to tell me as to what the plans are for fixing this problem soon. As far as I know, the HOA has not even inspected the issue. I will be sending a final (3rd) letter this week. I am not delinquent in any HOA fees and they have been less than professional in this matter by just ignoring the situation. After the third letter is sent, I will arrange to have the repair made and bill the HOA for the repair. Or consider filing a small claim against them.

The above is not uncommon for this incompetent board.

What would anyone else recommend?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Patience. Your dealing with a group of people not individual. It takes time to organize a response. It may also take them till the next meeting to make a decision. Don't know their meeting schedule. Ours was once a month. So we did not discuss things till that meeting. Send us a letter we'd wait till the board meeting to discuss.

I don't see why this needs a lawsuit. It's a simple repair or patch. Just staple some plastic around it. Believe me, people see the plastic will ask what that is about.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/27/2019 7:12 PM
Patience. Your dealing with a group of people not individual. It takes time to organize a response. It may also take them till the next meeting to make a decision. Don't know their meeting schedule. Ours was once a month. So we did not discuss things till that meeting. Send us a letter we'd wait till the board meeting to discuss.

I don't see why this needs a lawsuit. It's a simple repair or patch. Just staple some plastic around it. Believe me, people see the plastic will ask what that is about.

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but why not a simple acknowledge that letter and/or email was received and the Board is looking into the matter. That too much to ask?????
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Thank you for the response. I will wait until after the board meeting the first Tuesday of the month before I move forward with any repairs of the siding board on my own. I guess I expected at least an acknowledgement of the problem at least-maybe that is too much for them. I failed to mention that it is the power company's platform that is pulling away from the wall and opening the siding. The power company has already informed that the large metal platform that holds the meters against the building is the HOA's to repair, the meters are the responsibility of the power company. This needs to get done.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By AM3 on 07/27/2019 5:44 PM
After the third letter is sent, I will arrange to have the repair made and bill the HOA for the repair.
If you touch this wall or try to have a contractor fix it, there are liability problems. The HOA can make trouble for you. You are in a situation where you are forced to 'get tough fast,' meaning threaten a lawsuit, starting with a demand letter. I would be furious that I had to make such a threat to fix a serious, no-brainer infrastructure problem. Unfortunately, with boards run by amateurs and the management sometimes being not much better, one is often stuck with this. Send something like the following to the HOA's legal, registered agent (usually the management company) by certified mail:

Dear Board of Directors,

Pursuant to CC&R ___, the HOA is responsible for repair of building exteriors. I have written you on ___, ____ and ___ about a large hole in building ____. I believe said hole will admit, or has already admitted, mold, rodents and insects. These can only be remedied at enormous expense and inconvenience to many. Please let me know by August 7 of your plan to repair this hole.

Sincerely,

John Smith
Member, ____ HOA
23 Main Street,
____, GA ____
Phone:
Email:

After the HOA ignores this letter, report back.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Not to forgive slowness but it often takes q long time to find bonded/licensed people to do anything. I cannot tell you how aggravating it is. They often do not show nor return phone calls. We have been thru 3 of them to replace 12 ft of 6 ft tall shadow box fence. It is like they are all to busy.
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
I am not so sure that it should take 15 or 16 days to find a licensed electrician or company to take a look and advise, not in this city anyway-they come within 2-3 days. At least acknowledge the homeowner and advise what you are doing or will do. Don't ignore it. I have already sent the last letter today (4 sent previously-certified mail/FedEx to the HOA and management company to forward on) and I have asked for a return response this week. In the meantime my siding is open! If it were the board officer's condos (in the same community) it would have been fixed by now from experience. This board does not care about owners and treats owners as renters. Professionalism does not take much time, phone call etc.
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
I have written a final letter quoting the CC&R to the HOA Board today. Since this will be my fourth letter to the HOA Board(certified) since July 11th, I have asked them to acknowledge and let me know by August 1st when and how they will take care of this matter. From there, I need to take the next step, because this is no way to treat an owner or anyone else.
PaulJ6
Posts: 990
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I'd wait a while before suing in small claims court. Lawsuits will poison your relationship with the HOA-even though it sounds like you have the right to pursue things that way- and there will be time in the future when you'll need to be on the board's good side.

You should have at least a year after this before the statute of limitations runs, anyway. (This isn't legal advice, but no need to rush into a lawsuit.)
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/28/2019 12:09 PM
Not to forgive slowness but it often takes q long time to find bonded/licensed people to do anything. I cannot tell you how aggravating it is. They often do not show nor return phone calls. We have been thru 3 of them to replace 12 ft of 6 ft tall shadow box fence. It is like they are all to busy.

Adding to this, a board will often try to do bulk bids on maintenance items rather than doing things piecemeal as they pop up. They get better pricing this way, allowing them to stretch often tight budgets. In addition, many of the good workers aren't interesting in bidding on the piecemeal jobs - they'd rather do a lot of work in a single location rather than spend their time running all over town since drive time costs them money rather than earning it. So they will either not bid at all, or they will come back with an unattractively high quote (this discourages the association from hiring them for that particular job, but they hope to stay on the association's list of providers).

When we evaluated maintenance items, the deciding point was whether putting it off resulted in additional damage and greater expense. If no, then it was held for the annual bulk bid. This, of course, is frustrating for owners who think they're being ignored. (It sounds as if the OP's issue is not one that can be put off for a while, though.)
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I agree the BOD should have at least acknowledged the problem and say we are working on it. Look up benign neglect.
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Yes, however I cannot wait a while to get the siding closed up due to the obvious reasons. I don't plan an action as of today, but they need to react or I will have to have someone seal up the siding. This is a simple matter that may just need a small repair or bolts to the wall to prevent it from pulling the one siding board open. They will never know if they have not addressed it. This is not the first time that they have had to be forced to take care of a matter that they are responsible for and I had seek legal consultation on. I won they lost. This happened a few years back and was about repairing porch pillars that had rotted that they ignored. Board should have been removed/voted out but that is another long story....
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
This board is very neglectful, unprofessional and they do not care about the property or the owners. We have had internal owner problems getting the officers off the board for some time now.
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
I understand, but it will present problems and more expense if they don't fix the siding, that is why they should have evaluated the problem before 15 or 16 days, came up with a plan, communicated, and told the owner of the time line plan since it is affecting the condo/building. The one problem that is causing the siding issue could be more serious than we think it since it has to do with the electrical boxes/meters. It is absolutely unacceptable. However, after they get this last letter, I will consult and find out what I should do. The relationship between the board and owners in this community is already virtually non-existent so I am not concerned with it because I have had to take the right steps in the past to make them take care of processes they are responsible for. Somehow, the way that some boards operate with their owners and manage the property and what else owners can do to require them to operate properly and more in line with the CC&R's needs to be explored at a different level outside of these organizations.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Are you sure your using the correct addresses to communicate? Some board members don't want to be contacted directly. They prefer the MC to handle the issue if there is one. Plus does the HOA have an official address? Ours was just a box attached to the wall of the mailbox building. We used the clubhouse as the official address but mail was picked up by our Treasurer/accountant.

It just seems strange your letter hasn't even been returned unopened or notified it's been delivered/signed for if it was registered mail. That usually just takes 5 days to get a response even if the letter is sent back unsigned.

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Also wanted to add that the HOA maybe "responsible for exterior" but doesn't make them necessarily responsible for the repairs. Meaning that the HOA sees an exterior problem, they can request you fix the issue. That is in keeping with the exterior views. Which may just be enforcement. I am not sure if it means actual repairs.

Former HOA President
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Yes, all of the addresses are correct. The Board lists their mailing address and e-mail address in the newsletter for contact. In addition, it was sent to the board's e-mail and the Treasurer acknowledged it and I am sure it was forwarded from there. It was also sent to the management company that they have and it was forwarded to the Board also. The certified letter status indicates that it has not been picked up or signed and will be returned to me by the 3rd of August. The address is correct but I am checking with the post office. None the less it has been received by the board at lease two times in writing.
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
This board is responsible for the any actual repairs to common areas and the exterior building surfaces as outlined in the CC&R's. If fact, they do not permit or want owners to do any repairs on the exterior which is even more reason for them to step up to take care of their fiduciary responsibilities to the property and owners that are paying fees every month. However, when the board has failed to do so after some time, they have been forced to do so. They would not want the siding on their building associate with their condo to be open.I have a feeling I will need to do so through my legal counsel if they do not respond and take care of it accordingly. I should not have to pay for the repair to the siding etc. and wait for a reimbursement or take it off of the fees until it is reimbursed to me. Once again, it is the bad and sullen attitude of this board that has ruined our community and there is no excuse for it. But that is another long story.....
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
I am trying to get this done in the correct manner by giving the HOA several notices of the problem. They have received enough notice over 10-15 days to have acknowledged the problem with a plan. I don't want to make the repairs to my siding myself and pay for it but I also do not want the mold, moisture, rodents, and insects inside of the insulation of my end unit condo. I understand that this may present a liability concern for the HOA if I do the repair but in the past I have had to do a very necessary exterior repair due to safety before when the HOA did not comply and I was granted my money back for it. I had lots of documentation to support my position. I will do it again if they do not respond accordingly.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Is it not also a safety issue? Wouldn't the county be interested to know that a condo has an entire row of electric meters detaching from the side of the building? Wouldn't the electric company actually notify the county that there was an unsafe condition? Maybe code enforcement or the department of safety, or even the local Fire Marshall?
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Yes, I consider it a safety concern since the meter base is not fully attached to the building as was intended to be. Great suggestion that you provided. I will wait for a response from the HOA Board after four letters in 17 days. I gave them until August 1st to respond on this matter. I may need to reach out to the state building code inspector on this or whoever has the jurisdiction. The power company has stated their position on this matter.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Be careful about reporting such things. Guess who may be paying if it is in violation? Creating more problem for yourself and your neighbors.

What caused this damage? It seems kind of odd. How did the meter and siding on the side of a house get ripped/damaged? It just doesn't happen out of the clear blue. It may matter on how the HOA handles the issue or even yourself.

Remember when your asking the HOA to pay for your repair, your asking EVERY neighbor to pay for it. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's member's for it's members. So wanting to use HOA money takes more than just your timeline, demands, and consideration. It takes a "village" so to speak.

You now acknowledge they got your communications. They just have not responded. Well if they haven't had a board meeting that can be understandable. We made decisions at board meetings unless it was an emergency. Your situation does not count as an emergency to the HOA. Plus you may have the responsibility if it is, to take action to prevent additional damage until a decision can be made.

A HOA isn't a magical bubble over one's house. You do hold some responsibility. If the HOA thought this was a real urgent matter, they'd have sent you a violation or notice to you. They have to see the damage if it's so open. I don't know many HOA's that if they see such a thing, doesn't try to contact the owner even if it's to write them a violation.

Your emergency isn't the HOA's. So you can't set them a deadline and you can't tell them what to do or how to respond. It sounds like they know about the issue. Now they have to figure out what to do and when to respond.

Former HOA President
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
This is not creating more problems for me or the other owner who want their property taken care of also. Every owner is already paying for repairs and upkeep when they pay their fees. My emergency is an emergency for the HOA whether they treat it this way is a poor. This could be a serious situation. The damage to the electric meter base has been caused by outside forces. The HOA board was informed when the siding opened up and the power company reviewed the matter on site. The HOA is required to repair this situation-they are receiving monthly HOA fees from owners. I can't tell them how to respond but not responding to an owner by telephone or by e-mail/writing to acknowledge the issue is unprofessional in any business-it is very easy to communicate with an owner who is concerned with the safety and care of the property who is a member of the HOA. So when to respond is a no brainer. Waiting for a board meeting is absolutely absurd-it is an emergency and it is not my responsibility to take care of it and it does not take this much time to evaluate and communicate a plan of action. It could be a very simple solution. If I took care of the repair without giving them notices which I have done, then they would say that I was in violation because owners are forbidden under the CC&R's to make any repairs to the exterior building surfaces and common areas or you can be fined! They should not be writing me a violation, I should be writing to the HOA Board. I can set a deadline and I have-I don't want mold, moisture or pests/rodents entering the side of the building into my end unit condo. If they do not respond and tell me what the plans are I will take it to the next level to get it done. I should not have to even send four letters to the HOA Board to get a response. Many HOA Boards operate poorly and there is no justification for it-we are not renters. This is how you destroy relationships in this setting with homeowners. Sometimes you have to raise the issue to get the attention of bad boards who fail miserably in their fiduciary responsibilities to owners and see nothing wrong with it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Again. I don't view this as an "emergency" situation. You have power. Plus you should be taking action from preventing any more damage while you wait for a decision. Even your insurance carrier would tell you if you got a hole in your roof to get someone to put an emergency tarp on the roof. So if you are going to get some critters or mold, then it's because you did not prevent it.

FYI: I had a tree limb fall on my electric wire to my house. The line hung low across the road. Still high enough to drive under but not for every vehicle. It ripped the pole that connects to the meter on my house. The siding was ripped some and the pole was hanging down. Called the utility department to come out to check and tell me what to do. Guess what happened next?

It turns out the Utilities department does NOT repair such damage. What they do? They disconnect the power from the house and hung the line across the street. Was told had to get my electrical system fixed and inspected BEFORE they would re-attach the power. It took a week with 4 dogs and 110 degree Alabama heat! Had to make an ice bath for the dogs.

So if this truly was an "emergency" your utility company would have disconnected your power till it was fixed. They didn't. Again an "emergency" to you isn't an emergency to others. It's an inconvenience you have to deal with.

Former HOA President
AM3 (Georgia)
Posts: 29
Posted:
We will never agree on this issue and how it has been handled. Having power in my home is not the core issue at hand obviously. What one person sees as an emergency may not be the same for the HOA Board or another person because they are not in the situation, but the property needs to be protected hence, again respond to your owners and acknowledge so determinations can be made timely or in my case before 17 days and beyond. Any issue regarding the electrical systems attached to the buildings that requires repair and for which the HOA is 100% responsible for is definitely an emergency and needs to be a priority with the HOA Board. This could be a potential emergency and the HOA would not know all of the facts until they take the first step to acknowledge the concern timely and examine the problem so a plan could be made. The power company did not turn the power off because it was not necessary at the time and until the electrician could review and make a recommendation for the repairs and depending what needs to be done, they may want to "drop service" while repairs are being made for everyone's safety and have given instructions for this. I have made efforts to mitigate the problem immediately because I reported it timely and certainly do not intend to not do something temporary about my siding since the Board has ignored this issue for over two weeks which is certainly not acceptable to me as an owner. It is not an inconvenience, it is the principle as much as it is a shame that an HOA board operates in this manner. If it was one of the board members buildings/condo, you can guarantee that it would have been taken care of timely as owners have seen in the past. There is no excuse that anyone can offer for the handling of this matter. After the final date in my letter, I will move ahead with whatever I need to do.

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