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JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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I would be interested in knowing if your board has access to the work orders and requests of your management company? Is this a common service for them to provide? Some of the reasons I would like to have this type of access are:

1.) To have the ability to see any request that is older than 30 days old.
2.) Provide a better understanding of the work load of our management company.
3.) To help identify common problems/requests that we may be able to address pro actively.
4.) To understand why the management company is getting 300 emails and 200 phone calls per month. Our community is made up of 144 condos and 22 patio homes. The amount of emails and phone calls seem high for this size community and I would like to know why.
5.) We will be sending out an RFP for management companies in the near future and this information would help me understand what services we need.

I've been on the board for a year so I readily admit that this type of service offering may not be the norm which is why I'm asking others if they have this type of access.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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#4 sound outrageous. With 124 patio homes we get maybe 10 owner requests month. Is more when we stir up a hornet's nest as in a mailing we recently send about sprinkler system usage but no where near 200 per month.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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I totally agree. If I had access to the records I could verify this. Do you have a system in place to see your requests?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Many HOA specific software will have this feature and available on a web portal for Board and homeowners to see and use. Whether the MC actually takes the time to setup is a different story.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By RichardP13 on 06/18/2019 5:14 PM
Many HOA specific software will have this feature and available on a web portal for Board and homeowners to see and use. Whether the MC actually takes the time to setup is a different story.

Agreed. Common practice by many MCs. Getting more common all the time. Looking at their management software should be part of your selection criteria for a new MC.

Re your current MC, you should demand a copy of the log that shows how many emails and phone calls. With a quick glance, it should be easy to tell from that log which are the most frequent phone numbers and the most frequent email addresses.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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We usually get a monthly report from our property manager as part of the management report the board pores over before the meeting. When I was board treasurer, it was very helpful in finding out how much things cost and where the money was going. You may want to ask about a report as part of your RFP - when is it published, what's in it, can it be tailored to individual communities, etc.

It's not necessarily a problem if your property manager is getting that many calls and emails - some of them may not be related to maintenance at all. The problem starts when those phone calls and emails don't get a response (we like to see an acknowledgment of some sort within 3 days after the email or phone call is received.) If your homeowners haven't been yelling about that, I wouldn't worry about the volume. You should also remember this can ebb and flow throughout the year - more maintenance work is done in spring and summer, so of course, there will be more calls.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkW18
Posts: 1,290
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I've managed many properties over the past ten years, some smaller, some larger, and some the same size and have NEVER had that many phone calls or emails from one community, let alone a whole portfolio.

If the numbers stated are accurate, if I were the management under assault, I would help you with your RFP to get you new management. I would surely feel I wasn't getting paid enough.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Mark I agree with you. After thinking about this I've decided to send a written request to the M.C to get access to their work order requests and any other records for our community. I have no problem spending a day at their office if that is what it takes. As I implied before, it's hard to write an RFP if we don't even understand what our needs currently are. It's also hard to know what we need to improve on if we don't know what's wrong. Strangely, we get very few complaints at our open meetings and the feedback has been generally positive. That makes me think her claim is false but time will tell.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You said "that makes me think her claim is false" - where did that come from? If you have an issue with one homeowner, that should be resolved in a different manner. That doesn't mean you shouldn't continue to look for another property manager if you aren't happy.

That said, you also said you don't even understand what your needs are or what you need to improve on, so I think more research is warranted before you can take a deep dive into reviewing RFPs. You should know what common areas need maintenance and what that takes, and what the property manager does to help you manage the association's finances. If you don't know that, you need to pull out the management company contract and read it.

Another way to find out what's behind the phone calls and emails would be to send out a survey and ask homeowners what they think of the property manager. Hopefully, you'll get enough responses where you can identify patterns. From there, have a sit down with the current property manager to see how problems can be resolved.

In fact, have you ever asked your current manager about getting access to the call log or work orders? They may be willing to issue you a monthly report, especially if that will result in them keeping your business.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BobB31 (Florida)
Posts: 178
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Posted By SheliaH on 06/19/2019 7:46 AM
You said "that makes me think her claim is false" - where did that come from? .

I suspect that was referring to someone from the MC.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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I was referring to the Management Company and not a Homeowner. Over the last 3-4 months we have asked for access to work orders and they keep putting us off. I like your idea about the survey.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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The property manager works for the association, not the other way around, so if this one isn't giving you the information you want when you ask, he/she should explain why (e.g. the documents are stored off-site and we have to go get them).

You've been asking for this for the last 3- 4 months, so it's time to bring in upper management. Tell him/her/them what's going on and set a deadline as to when you want the information. If they can't provide an accurate summary and/or detailed information, carry on with looking for another property manager. If the company has several managers, you might want to ask that your association be reassigned - if sucessful, schedule a sit down with him/her to discuss ways to prevent such delays in the future.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Good advice Shelia.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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This assumes your management companies keep these kinds of records in an easily accessible format. I have worked for large, international HOA management companies, tiny local ones, and ones in between. The larger ones will have proprietary software for managing work orders and logging every call (taken by their call center). Small ones are going to have a dry erase board and a legal pad.

When your manager said she had 300 emails and 200 phone calls, what was the context of that conversation? Does she actually track every call and email for your property or was she guesstimating?

As a property manager, I have no trouble believing that a property with 144 units could generate 300 emails and 200 calls in a month from THE SAME OWNER, much less from the entire property.

I had one owner who, if I did not return her call within minutes - and I do mean minutes - would call back and call back and call back - escalating things to my director within the hour. I wish I was kidding. I had an owner who would send me daily emails, noting his neighbor's (whom he hated) activities. "At 2pm, their cat was on my patio. They didn't take their trash bin in until 7:40, sundown was at 7:32." I have had owners email me to ask a question, not be happy with the answer, and just keep emailing me again and again in hopes it will change.

If things aren't being followed up on, if maintenance isn't getting done in a timely manner, if homeowners are complaining that the management is non responsive - that's something to look into. I don't know that it warrants reviewing the contents of your managers inbox (which is going to contain all the other emails from all the other properties she manages).

If you just think your manager isn't as busy as she says she is - well, you may just have to live with that.

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Barbara, thanks for your feedback. Homeowners are complaining about response times and that the management company is non responsive. Our management company does have some type of electronic logging system but I don't have details on what types of capabilities it has or if they have the ability to generate summary reports for us. I have asked about this repeatedly and have so far not gotten a response. In my humble opinion this is partly due to the fact that they have been our management company for 16 years and have gotten too comfortable. The contract has never been revised or officially renewed since the first year. Instead, the board has verbally agreed to renew each year. This is partly coming to a head because previous boards have failed to make appropriate increases to our dues and it has caught up with us. The last reserve study was done 7 years ago and the recommendations were not followed. Shortly after I joined the board a year ago I brought this issue up. Several of the other board members were apathetic about the situation and the rep from the management company suggested we use the old reserve study and update it ourselves. I resisted and we finally had a new reserve study done.As I expected we are not funded appropriately. The biggest issue is our roads which are years past their useful life. The estimate to repave them is $1,000,000 and we have $400,000 in reserves and no money has been set aside for roads. I'm not blaming this on the management company. The board ignored this situation for years and we have to deal with it. I'm giving you this background information because it explains why I want to know more about what the management company is doing. I want to understand our costs in detail and look for ways to save money. For example we are an older community and have a lot of mature trees. We are constantly having to take down dead trees or prune existing ones. Instead of calling someone out for a bunch of small jobs I would like to be proactive and survey the neighborhood so that we can group these requests together into a larger project which may reduce the cost from the vendor. The point is when you do maintenance in a piece meal approach it will be more expensive. Items should be grouped together and then addressed. This is just one example why I want to look at the call history that the management company has in their data.

The other basic issue I have is how do you grade your management company if you don't even know what they're doing? How do you evaluate their annual request for in increase in fees if you don't know what their real work load is? As I've stated before, we will be sending out an RFP later this year and I want a better understanding of what services we need from a management company. We have no one to blame but ourselves for this mess and I want to try and remedy this. Part of this process is to understand our true needs and have a management company that acts as a true partner.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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John, thanks for the background. Evaluating management companies is difficult, because board members are usually volunteers who don't know what they don't know.

The management company's function is to carry out the tasks assigned to it by the Board of Directors. So when preparing an RFP your board will need to decide what you want the management company to do. If your current contract doesn't require much of them, it's not surprising that they don't provide much!

I have had boards write into the contract that phone calls and emails must be returned by the close of the next business day. I have had contracts specify that the manager must provide a weekly email summary of tasks completed. I have also had boards request that the management company conduct an annual evaluation of each of 475 single family homes and prepare a maintenance report for the owner with recommendations. I think it was bonkers that the MC agreed to that, and it's one of the reasons I left that company, but the point is you can ask for just about anything.

Regarding the reports you have requested, is there a hierarchy in your management company? Is there a director or VP you could contact to follow up on your manager's lack of response? Do the other board members back you up in your request?
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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We did take this issue to the VP and got no where. She was defensive and didn't follow through on what she promised to do. However, two weeks ago she was replaced with someone new and we will be taking our concerns to her replacement. Now that the rest of the board realizes we are in a financial bind they are on board. Also two new board members were elected in May and they seem eager to help. I just ordered a book from CAI called "How to find the right Community Association Professional". The outline of the book sounds like it will help me to understand how to go through the selection process and write an effective management contract that's fair to us and the vendor. Thanks again for your feedback!

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