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DanM12 (Georgia)
Posts: 25
Posted:
I have an issue or two with my HOA, and I asked to see the minutes of the last meeting.

The new Secretary just told me that basically there are NO records of meeting minutes at any point in the 25 years since the HOA was formed. They haven't been properly mailing notices of meetings to the members either. Never had a quorum for a member meeting apparently.

What legal exposure does an HOA face that does not hold the line on basic fiduciary duties, such as minutes/record keeping, issuing meeting notices?
Can they be disbanded?
Can the officers be held liable for their actions/inactions?
Receivership?

Has anyone heard of a case like this?
Particularly in Georgia?

Please advise.

thanks
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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You need to consult a lawyer if you want legal advice.

That said, since your HOA seems to be doing nothing right, it's questionable whether your "board members" were properly elected and whether they can be held accountable for anything the way a properly elected director can.

It's also questionable if your HOA is adequately insured, if it is filing tax returns, or if it has maintained its corporate status. These are much more important questions to be asking a lawyer, and should be addressed promptly since neglecting these things can have serious financial consequences for every member of the HOA, not just the alleged board members.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I should have added: the insurance and corporate status are important because without them, the individual homeowners are jointly, personally liable if anyone is injured on HOA property and sues the association. This should scare you. In Ohio you can find out about registered corporations on the Secretary of State's web site, and I assume Georgia would have something similar. Not sure where you can find out about insurance if there are no official records.

In your place, I'd start informing the neighbors (who won't be happy to hear what you have to say) and find an attorney who specializes in HOA (not real estate) law who can help you figure out where your HOA stands and what has to be done to get you on track.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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I don't think the type of lawyer in this type of situation really matters. Keeping records is part of corporate law, not just HOA law.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Worst case:

Association is sued.
Association has no records to prove what happened when.

Association now has a larger chance of losing.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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A HOA ALWAYS has legal exposure. It's limiting the damages or proof by having records. Otherwise, I would go with the IRS standard of keeping records or around 7 years for tax purposes.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DanM12 on 06/18/2019 2:10 PM
I have an issue or two with my HOA, and I asked to see the minutes of the last meeting.

The new Secretary just told me that basically there are NO records of meeting minutes at any point in the 25 years since the HOA was formed. They haven't been properly mailing notices of meetings to the members either. Never had a quorum for a member meeting apparently.

What legal exposure does an HOA face that does not hold the line on basic fiduciary duties, such as minutes/record keeping, issuing meeting notices?
Can they be disbanded?
Can the officers be held liable for their actions/inactions?
Receivership?

Has anyone heard of a case like this?
Particularly in Georgia?

Please advise.

thanks

Legality aside, what would you want to come out of this?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Quote:
Posted By DanM12 on 06/18/2019 2:10 PM
What legal exposure does an HOA face that does not hold the line on basic fiduciary duties, such as minutes/record keeping, issuing meeting notices?
Can they be disbanded?
Can the officers be held liable for their actions/inactions?
Receivership?

If things are bad enough, then your first responsibility and obligation should be to remove the current BOD from their positions, and to replace them with folks who will do a better job. That will require a vote. If you can't get enough support from your neighbors to make the change, then that should give you a better understanding of where you stand.
No, there is no outside force that's going to get your BOD to follow the rules.
No one from outside is going to disband them.
If you can't demonstrate a real financial loss, then what are you going to hold them liable for?
Are the finances being mishandled? If not, what's this thing about receivership?

Is there a budget? Is it published? Does your BOD follow it? Is someone stealing? These are the important questions that would need to be answered before any of the remedies (disbanding, personal liability, receivership) you mention would make sense.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Check your State office that oversees corporations and see if the corporation has filed its annual report.

The HOA might be voluntary, non incorporated.

AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By DanM12 on 06/18/2019 2:10 PM
I have an issue or two with my HOA, and I asked to see the minutes of the last meeting. The new Secretary just told me that basically there are NO records of meeting minutes at any point in the 25 years since the HOA was formed. They haven't been properly mailing notices of meetings to the members either. Never had a quorum for a member meeting apparently.


In your other thread, you said the required number for a quorum is 51%. You said the HOA has around 160 homes. So you need around 80+ members to be present, in person or by proxy. Nationwide HOAs struggle to meet quorum requirements of a lot less, like 20%. I have some sympathy for the Board not achieving this very high quorum figure. On the other hand, if notices are not sent in the first place, well the Board has to take significant responsibility for the low turnout.

Do your Bylaws direct how to proceed when a quorum is not met?

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What legal exposure does an HOA face that does not hold the line on basic fiduciary duties, such as minutes/record keeping, issuing meeting notices?


Unless you can show harm, quantifiable in dollars, and if push came to shove, I believe a judge would order injunctive relief and nothing more. No award of attorney's fees to you. No award of damages (money) to you.

More likely you would hire an attorney, have the attorney write a few demand letters, and the HOA would shape up. I expect it will cost you several thousand dollars.

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Can they be disbanded?


Can a judge throw the board members off? No, because then no one can run the election the judge will order, with the instruction that the Board will run the election pursuant to the CC&Rs and state law, or else. 'Cause the judge does not want to see a HOA membership's sorry middle class faces in his or her courtroom again, on the taxpayers' dollar, when there is a backlog of cases; and when few who have suffered actual serious harm need some kind of justice (and even then, they will only get it if they have the money for an attorney).

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Can the officers be held liable for their actions/inactions?


I see no damages (and I do mean the exhaustive legal definition of "damages"). Hence there is no liability.

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Receivership?


Competent attorneys will advise that receivership is expensive. It will cost HOA members a fortune above what they have been paying. Judges know this as well. As long as there is one volunteer member willing to be the board, and willing to run the election each year (with management's help), it is unlikely a judge would order a HOA into receivership.

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Has anyone heard of a case like this?


Keep reading here and you will see that, for the HOAs of those who post here, general incompetence is common.

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Please advise.


My understanding is that judges hate HOA cases. Competent HOA attorneys know this and so know their duty is to keep HOA disputes out of court, because the judge will want the HOA attorney's head on a platter if the dispute involves no serious harm and the HOA attorney did not get his or her HOA to shape up.

Competent HOA attorneys will tell you that the quickest resolution to your concerns is to run for the board with a like-minded majority. Every HOA member who has a gripe should try it for at least one year. I think service on a board tends to increase one's generosity in judging directors.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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By now, you can see that your board either needs to straighten up immediately or all of you are in for a real smackdown in your wallet. And speaking of receivership, consider that the nuclear option to avoid at all costs.

As you may know, receivership happens when there is no board of directors to run the HOA, so a judge has to appoint a receiver to run things until a board is formed. The homeowners wouldn't have ANY say in how the association is run, and since the receiver's main job is to ensure the bills are paid, he or she can raise assessments as high as they need to be, and even require special assessments, which would have to be paid in addition to regular assessments. There are also court costs, attorneys fee, and of course, and all of that must be paid by the homeowners, including you.

Normally, I'd be amazed that no one has asked about this in 25 years, but I've lived in HOAs and come to this board long enough to know that apathy is usually the underlying cause of why HOAs are poorly run. You and your neighbors can turn this around, but you need to start now. You probably can't do anything about years 1-24, but if this is year 25 or 26 (and we're nearly halfway through already), there's still hope. Go outside and start talking to your neighbors and keep in mind the reform may require that YOU consider getting on the board. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I went to one of those free seminars a couple of years ago where an attorney usually speaks on a topic and takes questions afterward. The topic that night was about keeping official records. Two people were there from an HOA (in a different county) and they wanted to know, as new board members, how to procede when their predecessors on the board left behind NO official records. The attorney told them (not giving legal advice of course) that they should round up everything they could from ny and all available sources (including bank statements) and move forward as best they could. If there's nothing there then there's nothing there. You can't provide copies of things that no longer exist. He didn't say anything about legal liability. I think he wanted them to hire him, but the point was clear: do what you can and start keeping better records in the future.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Also on the same notes as Genos... What records do you expect to be kept? It may not be what you think. I had to find the records of our HOA once when was President. The HOA was already over 25 years old. ALL the records we had were in the closet. They were just in 2 moving box sized containers. Not even filled all the way up!

It mostly had copies of some old contract agreements with lawncare. (Which is what needed) Some awards for beautification for front entrance. A few requests here and there. A few collection/expense reports. Don't think there was a single IRS or Bank Statement in the box. Those records are with the bank or IRS.

So maybe know the scope of what records are. It may not be what you think.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Which reminds me - your association could use a formal records retention policy that could cover things like what's to be kept permanently, when other stuff can be destroyed, how it's to be destroyed, how to protect personal information, etc. You can get with the association's insurance company and attorney for tips on how to put it together.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
PaulJ6
Posts: 990
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Posted By RichardP13 on 06/18/2019 3:26 PM
I don't think the type of lawyer in this type of situation really matters. Keeping records is part of corporate law, not just HOA law.

This, exactly.

State laws require that numerous records be made available to owners. A HOA is similar to a "real" corporation in this respect. I would think that failure to do this could be seen as a breach of various legal duties to owners.

My HOA had this issue, and I asked some litigators about the consequences. They said that not keeping records made the HOA MORE liable than if it had kept records.

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