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JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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My community is in S.C. We have some minor drainage work that needs to be done. Recently, the President sent out a Email vote and one of the 7 members voted no. Our management company stated that since the vote was not unanimous we would need to meet in executive session to vote again. She cited the following S.C code below. The way that I read this is as long as everyone votes "action is taken" and does not need to be unanimous. Any thoughts? We were trying to expedite this work because water is entering homes and we wanted the work done before anymore damage is done.

SECTION 33-31-821. Action without meeting.

(a) Unless the articles or bylaws provide otherwise, action required or permitted by this chapter to be taken at a board of directors' meeting may be taken without a meeting if the action is taken by all members of the board. The action must be evidenced by one or more written consents describing the action taken, signed by each director, and included in the minutes filed with the corporate records reflecting the action taken.

(b) Action taken under this section is effective when the last director signs the consent, unless the consent specifies a different effective date.

(c) A consent signed under this section has the effect of a meeting vote and may be described as such in any document.

SheilaJ1 (South Carolina)
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Posted:
Yes, must be unanimous without a correctly notified meeting.

Sometimes bylaws are written strangely, where they state that the consent must be unanimous but the vote is majority. Doesn't make a difference to me, if the board member wants to vote "no" they can have the vote fail at the consent stage.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By SheilaJ1 on 06/18/2019 8:40 AM
Yes, must be unanimous without a correctly notified meeting.

Sometimes bylaws are written strangely, where they state that the consent must be unanimous but the vote is majority. Doesn't make a difference to me, if the board member wants to vote "no" they can have the vote fail at the consent stage.

And where does it say the vote must be unanimous?
SheilaJ1 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/18/2019 9:15 AM
Posted By SheilaJ1 on 06/18/2019 8:40 AM
Yes, must be unanimous without a correctly notified meeting.

Sometimes bylaws are written strangely, where they state that the consent must be unanimous but the vote is majority. Doesn't make a difference to me, if the board member wants to vote "no" they can have the vote fail at the consent stage.


And where does it say the vote must be unanimous?

States all the members of the board, pretty much universal for all HOA's. The action is consent or a vote.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted:
Shelia

Just so we are on the same page. If the entire BOD votes must it be unanimous, as in all voting the same way, be it yes or no? Or is it that all must vote regardless of how they vote?

I read it to say all must vote. If so, then the vote count wins. Like a 7 member BOD Email voting 4 to 3.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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John, I'm reading it the same way you are.
SheilaJ1 (South Carolina)
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You can do it both ways, the consent could be unanimous and the vote can be majority to move forward with the action. But most HOA's don't do it that way, they simply take a vote and if someone votes "no" then that's not a consent, the action cannot be undertaken.

I would advise the HOA get a legal opinion on it from the HOA attorney, but since the management company has already stated the vote must be unanimous, it would be near impossible to find an attorney that would go in the opposite direction. This would bring liability to the HOA who decided to go in the opposite direction of a professionally licensed community manager.

Just be safe and convince them to be unanimous in action without a meeting. Or make sure the minutes state that you all tried to take a vote and this one director voted "no" for an ongoing emergency. That will make them think twice on the next emergency.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Shelia

You can do it both ways, the consent could be unanimous and the vote can be majority to move forward with the action. But most HOA's don't do it that way, they simply take a vote and if someone votes "no" then that's not a consent, the action cannot be undertaken.

Are you saying it needs to be a two step process?

1. The entire BOD (unanimous) agrees in an Email vote to have an Email vote on an issue. As our example, a BOD of 7 and all 7 agree

2. The vote is taken as a simple majority which also says someone may not vote. Vote is 4 to 2 with one abstention.

Curious what is your BOD experience and your profession?
SheilaJ1 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/18/2019 11:37 AM
Shelia

You can do it both ways, the consent could be unanimous and the vote can be majority to move forward with the action. But most HOA's don't do it that way, they simply take a vote and if someone votes "no" then that's not a consent, the action cannot be undertaken.

Are you saying it needs to be a two step process?

1. The entire BOD (unanimous) agrees in an Email vote to have an Email vote on an issue. As our example, a BOD of 7 and all 7 agree

2. The vote is taken as a simple majority which also says someone may not vote. Vote is 4 to 2 with one abstention.

Curious what is your BOD experience and your profession?

That's correct but our management and HOA attorney didn't go the two step process, they decided it needed to be unanimous and no mention of any "consent" step.

I'm a board member like pretty much everyone else on this forum. About 13 years on and off.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Thanks for your input Sheila.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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I admit my HOA has had a few Email votes and we never went the unanimous step and I doubt we will....LOL
MarkM19 (Texas)
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I am with the John's on this one. My question is does your State allow for decisions to be made outside of meetings? In Ca. the answer would be only Actions Without Meetings in an emergency situation. I am in Texas now and it is done regularly here. I think the original post speaks to it being an emergency because of the water damage. My understanding has always been AWM need to be unanimous. If this is just and email vote to move forward outside of a meeting then majority rules would apply.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 06/18/2019 9:15 AM
Posted By SheilaJ1 on 06/18/2019 8:40 AM
Yes, must be unanimous without a correctly notified meeting.

Sometimes bylaws are written strangely, where they state that the consent must be unanimous but the vote is majority. Doesn't make a difference to me, if the board member wants to vote "no" they can have the vote fail at the consent stage.


And where does it say the vote must be unanimous?

In the statute cited:

(b) Action taken under this section is effective when the last director signs the consent

Consent is the agreeing to do abc.
ND (PA)
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I thought I posted, but perhaps I didn't or perhaps it was removed for some reason . . .

Instead of debating the verbiage of the quoted SC code, in my opinion it would be much quicker and more efficient to just convince the one "no" voter to change their vote so the project can move forward and you all can move on to more important things. Just point out that after calling a proper meeting and wasting the amount of days for that to happen, the vote will be taken again at which point they will surely be defeated by the other 6 "yes" votes. So, why even waste the time and why continue to ostracize themselves as the only one standing in the way of the project getting accomplished . . . unless of course they have issues/concerns that deserve to be heard which may change the opinions of other voters?
LaskaS (Texas)
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I'm in texas. I'm Very familiar with this issue. A vote taken outside of a duly called meeting is only valid by unanimous written consent..
.. unanimous means everyone.. consent means agreeing, or affirming.. so every board members must vote yes if any official actions are voted on outside of a meeting.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By LaskaS on 06/20/2019 12:27 AM
I'm in texas. I'm Very familiar with this issue. A vote taken outside of a duly called meeting is only valid by unanimous written consent..
.. unanimous means everyone.. consent means agreeing, or affirming.. so every board members must vote yes if any official actions are voted on outside of a meeting.

This has always been my reading of AWM clauses.

It is often reinforced by a rule about remote participation by phone - where the remote person must be able to both listen and be heard during the discussion. Not good enough for the other members to call Charlie and get his approval. Charlie's vote is only countable if he is part of the pre-vote debate.

Not sure if SC's statute is different.

One way to avoid this potential issue is to delegate spending authority. Example: In the event of a hurricane, any 2 BOD members can agree to spend up to $2,500 on emergency measures. In our case, any BOD member is authorized to spend up to $250 and Pres can spend up to $500 without putting it to a vote of the BOD - even when there is no emergency. Almost never used. But available without the need to bring everyone together for a small dollar amount.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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NPS, that's a great idea for emergency measures!

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