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SharonW3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
The Board recently proposed a SA for new roofs. It appears that it's going to pass (we're still receiving proxies/ballots). Since this all began I've had owners approach me to say that if it passes they cannot afford the assessment of $2400. Some have said flat out they will not be a part because they don't have a roof leak and don't have the money. I'm well versed on the lien/foreclosure process, but hate the thought of actually forcing someone out of their home. The board would like to work with owners, but they are asking for $25 or $50 per month payments. 4 to 8 years to replace roofs that are going south quickly isn't an option. We're spending a lot of money monthly on roof repairs. It's like a dog chasing his tail! Anyone been thru the process with so much resistance? Were collections a huge headache? Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

President with a headache
SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
Posted:
Yes, what we did was have the Association take out a loan and then have a monthly assessment to cover the loan payments. We offered a discount to prepay the assessment up front. Most people found the money and prepaid about 10% paid the payment plan. It worked well for us and got rid of what happens when units don't pay argument.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Fortunately, we haven't had any special assessments (yet), but when I was board treasurer, the thought of one gave me headaches because our reserves were horribly low (they still are, although there's been some improvement) and that's usually why special assessments are necessary. That or damages so extensive that there's not enough money in reserves and insurance claim money to pay all the costs.

No one likes to pay regular assessments, let alone special assessments, but if they lived in detached homes, what would they do if that roof leaked? This is life as a homeowner - sometimes repairs become necessary whether you're prepared for them or not.

I'm assuming this is a townhouse community, which is what I live in, and you're correct that $25 - $50 a month won't cut it. The association might be able to get a loan, but homeowners need to understand that will mean assessments would increase considerably, in order to pay it, fund reserves and routine operating costs. I assume you've laid out all the options and why the $2400 is the best one, so the best I could suggest is to have a contractor check which roofs need to be replaced right now (within 4 months, because you should get this done before winter) vs. those that can wait until sometime next year. The folks who need immediate repair will have to bite the bullet and everyone else has to get the assessment paid by a specific date next year. Everyone would have to pay at least $200 a month towards the assessmen, so the $2400 would be paid in a year - suggest weekly or bi-monthly payment, if necessary.

And to help prevent this from happening again, be sure you get a reserve study done and this time, follow the recommendations as best you can. Take a hard look at your operating costs as well - it may be some things have to be cut in order to help fund reserves. That may also mean some services will have to be turned over to the homeowners, which will require a change to the CCRs (and another special vote). Keep your homeowners in the loop and encourage them to bring their own ideas to the board.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Technically I don't think you can foreclose for unpaid special assessments. You can just lien for them.

Why such a high assessment? That seems incredibly high. What kind of roofs are they? Are they individual homes or a shared building?

What about insurance? Will it cover any of it?

Need some more details maybe to figure out a good solution that may apply.

Former HOA President
SharonW3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Thanks Sam, that was helpful!
SharonW3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Sheila,
Yes, we are a community of 180 town homes plus pool house. A Reserve Study was done & the engineers said we had another 3-5 years on roofing.

The "back" story"... The builder was production oriented. Didn't follow the plans, cut corners everywhere possible, including the roofs unfortunately. The Builder filed bankruptcy immediately after completing the last building, leaving us to deal with the issues, and there are plenty! (our streets were never finished) The logic of only replacing the bad roofs escapes me as they're all bad, just some worse than others. It makes more sense to replace all at current pricing, rather than spot replacement. Money from reserves will be used along with the SA funds. Roofs will be removed, new sheathing, membrane, shingles, ridge vents installed. The original "roofing" was to have been a 20yr shingle, but, that's not bearing out.

We fund reserves monthly. Assessments cover water/sewer, trash removal, maintenance, landscaping, etc. There's nothing to cut out. Our water/sewer runs $10-12,000/month, our largest expense.
SharonW3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Melissa, there's no insurance for blatant incompetence. Have you priced roofing lately? Town homes range from 1250 to 1500 SF.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Sharon

You say 180 townhouses. Please clarify how how many townhouses per building? When roofing it is best to do an entire building at once. My last townhouse association had 3 to 4 townhomes per building for a total of 175 townhomes.

Not uncommon to finance a major project with a bank loan offering several payment plans. I have seen pay all within 30 days, no interest to float the payments with interest for 5 years. The HOA backs the loan.

Any sale during a loan period becomes part of the sale negotiation.
SharonW3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
John,
180 townhouses, 36 buildings plus the pool house.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Hm, this almost sounds like the developers of my community - they were cheap, but at least they got 75% of the community done before going belly up (no unfinished streets, sidewalks, etc.)

Looks like everyone will have to bite the bullet and just pay the $2400 - if they've been living there for some time, they probably know the story with the developer and don't want to face the hard truth. I would still go with giving them a year to come up with the money with payment options. That and possibly a loan, and yes, the homeowners will have to accept a spike in the assessments. If your developer cut corners to develop the community, one can also assume they set the original assessments too damn low in order to attract buyers - that's the story of my community and nearly everyone else throughout the country.

If water is the largest expense, I assume you're all on one meter? If so, you could talk to the water company about putting everyone on his/her own meter, but that will cost even more money. Some sort of water usage study from someone might be helpful in determining the areas where there's a lot of waste and then you can work on reducing that.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Almost forgot - you say you have a pool house, so you probably have a pool. Might want to consider getting rid of it because that can eat up a huge percentage of the budget. It took a while, but our community got rid of ours about 7 years ago - it's not missed.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Sharon, thank you for sharing. I think resistance is always high when a special assessment is needed. But of course for something as vital as roofs, the board has to be firm. Next the board has to be braced for being voted out, with some of those ignorant about {infrastructure issues, budgeting, and property values} taking over. I agree Sam's solution is the best.

I think your situation should be used by people who read here as a lesson to resistant homeowners: Members must pay steadily, via the regular assessment, for infrastructure needs as guided by a Reserve Study, or Members will have to plan on helping pay the extra costs (interest) of a massive loan. I am doubtful said interest can be deducted on Form 1040 Schedule A.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/16/2019 1:57 PM
Why such a high assessment? That seems incredibly high.


In my experience $2400 per member in a townhome community is a bargain, especially for a full replacement. There are abundant pricing guides on the net that say as much.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sharon,

Now you and your community understand the need for fully funding a reserve fund.

For more info on Reserve funds, see the following thread:

Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101

Regarding the special assessment, if you have any reserves the Board could borrow from those funds (say the road milling/paving fund) to fund the roof replacement and pay that fund back with the special assessment.

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