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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Hi All,

Been out of town for awhile.

I didn't make my own neighborhood's recent Annual Meeting ... the outgoing president told me afterward only one person volunteered for the two open director positions, but that was no biggie since the board could appoint another director since no one volunteered. This is not the voluntary HOA I have written so often about - this neighborhood is approximately 325 single family homes with tight CC&Rs and published Bylaws.

The draft minutes read as follows:

"Nominations opened from the floor and nominees of John Doe. Nominations were closed without objection. Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

The association manager provided the following when I told him I could not find the ability to do this in the in bylaws:

"Yes, the process according to non profit law and robert rules is when a vacancy exists on the Board, the remaining board members MAY appoint a director for the unexpired term of that office. The appointment is by a majority vote of the Board. It must appear on the agenda."

Thoughts?
BobB31 (Florida)
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I don't believe that is the correct application of that part of the statute which dictates how a vacancy due to resignation or death is supposed to be handled. What is supposed to happen is if no candidates for a board position are elected, the current occupant(s) of that position continue(s) as such until either a new election is held or a member resigns or dies, at which point the board is allowed to appoint a new director to fill that vacancy.
GenoS (Florida)
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In an FS 720 HOA there's very little in the statute regarding the election of directors. 720.306 does say, "Except as otherwise provided in the governing documents, boards of directors must be elected by a plurality of the votes cast by eligible voters." So unless your governing documents, like the Bylaws, specifically provide for election to the board by "acclimation" (and I doubt they do) they the owners present should have voted anyway.

Regarding the board's ability to fill vacancies, they can fill it later if they desire. That exact situation happened here 2 years ago when we had 3 openings on a 7-person board and only one candidate stood for election. The remaining seats were filled in subsequent months.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Posted:
Geno,

How can the Board fill Director positions that were not filled at an annual meeting - I thought the only way the Board can appoint is in the case of a sitting director quitting, dying, etc?
BobB31 (Florida)
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Posted By GenoS on 05/23/2019 3:05 PM
In an FS 720 HOA there's very little in the statute regarding the election of directors. 720.306 does say, "Except as otherwise provided in the governing documents, boards of directors must be elected by a plurality of the votes cast by eligible voters." So unless your governing documents, like the Bylaws, specifically provide for election to the board by "acclimation" (and I doubt they do) they the owners present should have voted anyway.

Regarding the board's ability to fill vacancies, they can fill it later if they desire. That exact situation happened here 2 years ago when we had 3 openings on a 7-person board and only one candidate stood for election. The remaining seats were filled in subsequent months.

720.306(9)(c):
... Unless otherwise provided in the bylaws, any vacancy occurring on the board before the expiration of a term may be filled by an affirmative vote of the majority of the remaining directors, even if the remaining directors constitute less than a quorum, or by the sole remaining director. ...
The board is also allowed to fill the vacancy by calling for a special meeting of the members.

It was in 617.0806 that I found the statement " ... Each director shall hold office for the term to which he or she is elected or appointed and until his or her successor has been elected or appointed and qualified or until his or her earlier resignation, removal from office, or death."

Granted, that section deals with staggered terms for directors, but I've seen nothing saying that it does not apply.
RichardP13 (California)
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Were the two vacant positions the result of resignations or up for re-election.

Don't your Bylaws allow for member present at the annual meeting to adjourn and possibly re-convene at a later date with lower quorum? Actually, you never mentioned whether there was quorum for them to take action.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Director positions up for fill due to expiration of the terms - both were runouts of three years terms.

We still have five of the six positions filled ... there was a quorum as there was one candidate and he was elected ... see the strange language from my first post ... “...acclimate John Doe and a vacant position which can be appointed by the Board.”
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Would appreciate any additional input.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/22/2019 2:02 PM
"Yes, the process according to non profit law and robert rules is when a vacancy exists on the Board, the remaining board members MAY appoint a director for the unexpired term of that office. The appointment is by a majority vote of the Board. It must appear on the agenda."

Thoughts?

George
Can you provide detail on what the meeting announcement said about how the election would work?

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Correct term is "acclamation" instead of "acclimation".

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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George

My first blush is that what they did is proper. If I read what you said correctly:

1. There were two open spots on the BOD. One person volunteered to run. As only one for two spots, I say that person won via acclamation. No need for an election.

2. There is still one open spot on the BOD and the BOD has the authority to appoint someone to that spot. The person will have to be voted on by a majority of the BOD.

What am I missing and/or what you are not liking?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Certainly agree John Doe was elected by acclamation ... I did point out to the manager there was no verb acclamation for acclamation, and it was acclamation not acclimation.

But, perhaps I have a basic hole in my knowledge base - I have always “thought” for a board to appoint a director, the position must have opened by a membership elected director resigning, dying, etc. - am I finding a hole?
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/23/2019 3:40 PM
Geno,

How can the Board fill Director positions that were not filled at an annual meeting - I thought the only way the Board can appoint is in the case of a sitting director quitting, dying, etc?

It all depends on the Bylaws. The size of the board was fixed at 7 for the year. 4 directors had a year left on their terms and there were 3 openings to be filled. Only one volunteer threw his hat into the ring. So after the Annual Meeting there were 5 directors on a 7-seat board with 2 unfilled seats.

Our Bylaws say,

"Should a vacancy occur at any time ... a majority of the remaining members of the Board of Directors shall have the power to select a person to fill such vacancy until the next annual meeting."

Where elections, directors and boards are concerned the statute defers in almost every respect to the Bylaws of the association. We consider that the 7-member board began the year with 2 immediately vacant seats, i.e. vacancies. We have directors resign mid-term every year here. At least 2 in every year that I've been here. As a result we're always looking to fill empty seats. We've ended up with some pretty bad boards that way but rightly or wrongly our position has been, "We have a board size of seven. There are currently 5 board members and 2 seats are vacant. The board has the power to fill vacancies."

As for directors continuing to serve until their replacements are elected, directors here cannot wait for their terms to end and would just resign prior to the Annual Meeting if necessary to make it legal. The position here is that when a director's term is up that creates an opening on the board to be filled at the election. If the director whose term is up wanted to serve another term anew, then they would announce their intention to run again and appear on the ballot. That they don't do so is taken as an implicit admission that they don't want to be on the board anymore. I don't think it has happened but I'm almost sure someone who "served their time" and wanted off the board would be more than willing to submit a resignation at the Annual Meeting (after the election results are announced) so that there would be no question of whether or not they were continuing to serve. No one can be forced to stay on as a Director if they don't wish it.

I suppose it's quite different elsewhere that has different factions vying for control of the board and where some are willing to engage in shady practices and/or dirty tricks in order to maintain their grip on power. That is definitely not the case in my HOA.

It all depends on the wording of the Bylaws because of the great deference shown by the statute. If the bylaws said everyone shall draw straws and the short straw gets to decide who fills the vacancy, that would technically be legal in an FS 720 HOA.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/26/2019 1:05 PM
Certainly agree John Doe was elected by acclamation ... I did point out to the manager there was no verb acclamation for acclamation, and it was acclamation not acclimation.

But, perhaps I have a basic hole in my knowledge base - I have always “thought” for a board to appoint a director, the position must have opened by a membership elected director resigning, dying, etc. - am I finding a hole?

Who cares how the vacancy was created? It is there, so it can be filled by the BOD.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Some language from our Bylaws:

"Article V - Nomination and Election of Directors
...
Section 5.2 - Election. Election to the Board of Directors shall be by voice vote of a show of hands, unless objected to by thirty percent (30%) of the Members present at that meeting, in which case the election shall be by written ballot. The persons receiving the largest number of votes shall be elected. Cumulative voting is prohibited."
+++++++
There is a bit of catch-all in the Powers Dection 7.1.c of the Powers and Duties Article ... I'll show beginning of each one to paint a complete picture ...

"Article VII - Powers and Duties of the Board of Directors
...
Section 7.1 - Powers
a. Adopt and publish rules ...
b. Suspect the voting rights of a Member ...
c. Exercise for the Association all powers, duties, and authority vested in or delegated to this Association by these Bylaws, the Articles of Incorporation or the Declaration, and which are not reserved to the Members by other provisions of these Bylaws, the Articles of Incorporation, or the Declaration
d. Declare the office of a member of the Board of Directors to be vacant in the event...
e. Employ a manager, an independent contractor ...

+++++++
There is language in the section on Officers allowing vacancies to be filled ... but, it is specific to Officers ...

"Article VIII - Officers and Their Duties
...
Section 8.6 - Vacancies. A vacancy in any office my be filled by appointment by the Board of Directors. The officer appointed to such vacancy shall serve for the remainder of the term of the officer he replaces."

There is nothing related in the CCRs re this topic. The Articles note no more than 9 and no less than 3 directors. No mention of the Board appointing members.

The Board has power to modify the Bylaws at any time - majority vote - noted in both Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation.

So, basic question: Due to expiration of director terms, if Membership only elects five Directors, and leaves an opening, if not in Bylaws, CCRs, or Articles, where does the Board get the authority to appoint a someone to that position?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/26/2019 2:14 PM

"Article VII - Powers and Duties of the Board of Directors
...
Section 7.1 - Powers
d. Declare the office of a member of the Board of Directors to be vacant in the event...

What does the rest of this say?

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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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NpS,

Just the usual about replacing director after missing three meeting ...
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/26/2019 12:21 PM
George

My first blush is that what they did is proper. If I read what you said correctly:

1. There were two open spots on the BOD. One person volunteered to run. As only one for two spots, I say that person won via acclamation. No need for an election.

2. There is still one open spot on the BOD and the BOD has the authority to appoint someone to that spot. The person will have to be voted on by a majority of the BOD.

What am I missing and/or what you are not liking?

I'm with John on this. If only 1 hand went up, then only 1 slot got filled. Without another hand going up, members forfeited right to elect and gave Board right to select.

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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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NpS,

I’ve spent a few hours reading and re reading Florida Statue and our governing docs ... I can’t find anything that allows the Board to fill unfilled seats from the members meeting. Sure they can fill seats of someone who quits, leaves, etc, but ...
BobB31 (Florida)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/26/2019 7:12 PM
NpS,

I’ve spent a few hours reading and re reading Florida Statue and our governing docs ... I can’t find anything that allows the Board to fill unfilled seats from the members meeting. Sure they can fill seats of someone who quits, leaves, etc, but ...

Seriously? See my previous reply.
BobB31 (Florida)
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Posted By BobB31 on 05/26/2019 7:15 PM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/26/2019 7:12 PM
NpS,

I’ve spent a few hours reading and re reading Florida Statue and our governing docs ... I can’t find anything that allows the Board to fill unfilled seats from the members meeting. Sure they can fill seats of someone who quits, leaves, etc, but ...


Seriously? See my previous reply.

Without a membership vote, the director whose term was going to expire needs to keep serving until a new membership vote is taken to replace him. Of course, if he refuses to serve (resigns) then the board can vote to replace him, but they are not required to do so.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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OK - I’m feeling lowing wha your says ng, but the two directors noticed th board and membership they were resigning - all aligned with th manual meeting where it reflected as two open positions.

I may have explained it wrong in my first post- their terms ran out, they said they were resigning/leaving the board ... all in advance of the annual meeting, to coincide with the meeting.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Jeez - sorry.

I’m following what you’re saying ... darn autocorrect.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By BobB31 on 05/26/2019 7:19 PM
Without a membership vote, the director whose term was going to expire needs to keep serving until a new membership vote is taken to replace him. Of course, if he refuses to serve (resigns) then the board can vote to replace him, but they are not required to do so.

And that's that.

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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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But, he resigned collateral to the meeting ... there was, then, an unfilled Board position that the membership did not vote to fill.

I’m sorry ...I’m still not getting it ..
BobB31 (Florida)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/27/2019 5:10 AM
But, he resigned collateral to the meeting ... there was, then, an unfilled Board position that the membership did not vote to fill.

I’m sorry ...I’m still not getting it ..

Wait, let me see if I've got this: There were two openings on the board due to terms expiring, right? One member volunteered and the election was waived.
So, the director whose term expired should have continued serving until the next election, in other words, his term was extended until the next election. But he resigned, correct?
That means the board can vote to fill the vacancy if they desire. Of course, that means they need to find another volunteer.

PS. The verb for acclamation is acclaim.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Hmmm.

Two openings at the time of the election, from two directors who resigned, effective the date of the meeting, so their seats were open.

One person elected by acclamation, and, reference the language in my original post from the draft minutes, the members gave the board ...”...Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

So, two issues ...

1. Can membership assign responsibility to appoint a director?
2. If 1. is no, then can Board appoint a director to an opening that was left open by the membership?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/27/2019 6:25 AM
Hmmm.

Two openings at the time of the election, from two directors who resigned, effective the date of the meeting, so their seats were open.

One person elected by acclamation, and, reference the language in my original post from the draft minutes, the members gave the board ...”...Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

So, two issues ...

1. Can membership assign responsibility to appoint a director?
2. If 1. is no, then can Board appoint a director to an opening that was left open by the membership?

A and B resign.
C raises hand and is elected to A's seat.
No one raises a hand for B's seat. Therefore, B continues to hold her seat until replaced.
After election, Board selects D to fill B's seat. B is relieved of her seat that she didn't want anyway.


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NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By NpS on 05/27/2019 6:57 AM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/27/2019 6:25 AM
Hmmm.

Two openings at the time of the election, from two directors who resigned, effective the date of the meeting, so their seats were open.

One person elected by acclamation, and, reference the language in my original post from the draft minutes, the members gave the board ...”...Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

So, two issues ...

1. Can membership assign responsibility to appoint a director?
2. If 1. is no, then can Board appoint a director to an opening that was left open by the membership?


A and B resign.
C raises hand and is elected to A's seat.
No one raises a hand for B's seat. Therefore, B continues to hold her seat until replaced.
After election, Board selects D to fill B's seat. B is relieved of her seat that she didn't want anyway.


Analysis. You seem to be drilling down on a procedure that seems odd, but it's only odd because the community, with full knowledge that the Board needed 2 new members, failed to come up with the 2 that were needed. The Board had every right to carry on as necessary to fill all seats.

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BobB31 (Florida)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/27/2019 6:25 AM
Hmmm.

Two openings at the time of the election, from two directors who resigned, effective the date of the meeting, so their seats were open.

One person elected by acclamation, and, reference the language in my original post from the draft minutes, the members gave the board ...”...Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

So, two issues ...

1. Can membership assign responsibility to appoint a director?
2. If 1. is no, then can Board appoint a director to an opening that was left open by the membership?

This is my take:
1. The directors resigned prior to the ends of their terms* - their resignations were effective at 12:00:01 AM of the date of the meeting so by definition this is prior to the end of their terms, which officially end when the election takes place and replacements are elected. So the board already had the power, per statute and per your bylaws, to fill both seats. They did not have to, and they chose to leave it up to the membership which only filled one of them. That does not alter the fact that the other seat is still open due to resignation.
2. Probably not, but I don't think that's what happened.

This could have been avoided if the board had appointed two directors to hold the seats until the election took place. The terms of the appointees would have ended as soon as membership elected replacements. Given that only one volunteer was put forward, only one of the appointee's terms would expire. The other would continue serving until the next election.

As it is, this is a matter of timing and not worth spending more time worrying about it. I do not believe a challenge to this appointment would stand up, assuming they can find a volunteer to take the seat.

*not sure why they felt they needed to do that - they could have simply waited for the result of the election and then resigned if they weren't replaced and didn't want to continue serving. If they had done that there would be no question as to the the board being able to appoint someone.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/27/2019 6:25 AM
Hmmm.

Two openings at the time of the election, from two directors who resigned, effective the date of the meeting, so their seats were open.

One person elected by acclamation, and, reference the language in my original post from the draft minutes, the members gave the board ...”...Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

So, two issues ...

1. Can membership assign responsibility to appoint a director?
2. If 1. is no, then can Board appoint a director to an opening that was left open by the membership?

It is not a question of membership assigning the ability. It is already in the Covenants that the BOD has the right to fill BOD Vacancies.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/27/2019 9:59 AM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 05/27/2019 6:25 AM
Hmmm.

Two openings at the time of the election, from two directors who resigned, effective the date of the meeting, so their seats were open.

One person elected by acclamation, and, reference the language in my original post from the draft minutes, the members gave the board ...”...Motion unanimously approved to waive the balloting requirement and acclimate John Doe and a Vacant position which may be appointed by the Board."

So, two issues ...

1. Can membership assign responsibility to appoint a director?
2. If 1. is no, then can Board appoint a director to an opening that was left open by the membership?


It is not a question of membership assigning the ability. It is already in the Covenants that the BOD has the right to fill BOD Vacancies.

OOPS

In the Bylaws.

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