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RicardoH (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:

Your thoughts regarding waving of three months of HOA dues per year for and an owner that serves on the board.

(Ray how is you salary from the HOA stack up this year? - "Same as last year! Zero"

Being a board member is a thankless job. I am sure you have heard this one before..
So much so that the owners hardly show signs of life unless their on the hot seat.

Recently we sent mailings in an effort to fill the seat and not one person showed any interest.

My goal is to hold out a carrot in order to fill a vacant seat on the board of directors.

Ricardo

CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
We do not do this in our community as that is a form of compensation.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Nope - and I served 10 years on my board, five as treasurer and newsletter editor!

Your budget should be based on 100% of ALL homeowners paying in full and on time. If you were to waive fees for 5, 7 or however many people you have on the board, that money would have to be made up somewhere, because your vendors are not going to do 100% of work when only 90% of people are actually paying for it - even if they're only withholding 3 months of assessments.

If those people weren't paying assessments, there could also be tax implications because the IRS would consider that income for those folks and they'd have to put it on their taxes. Finally, there's more to being a board member than just showing up and deciding how to spend money - if you get 3 months credit in assessments, I would expect a little more work (community walk-through, anyone?)

You're absolutely right - serving on the board can be a thankless job and it IS frustrating when you need to bring in new blood or at least some people to shoulder the load from those who've worked and worked - and worked for years, but this isn't the way.

How to get people interested? I really don't know - many people consider it an unintended consequence of HOA living. People think someone else will take care of community services, rules enforcement, and all that stuff, so they pay their assessments and go on about their business. They won't even come to the annual meeting to vote for the people who will be making decisions about the budget, enacting rules (that don't contradict the CCRs or Bylaws) and other issues that will impact them, and then scream when a rule is passed that they don't like or when assessments are raised to pay for things the community needs.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
First off, the answer is no! Unless it's in your governing documents, which it isn't, then assessments are handled uniformly across the board.

What would they get paid and for what? Let's say the HOA has a management company handling the day-to-day affairs and the Board does nothing but show up to a meeting once every three months?

If you feel you deserve a paycheck, then you could go self-managed, change your governing documents, get 100% approval from homeowners and lenders.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Ricardo,
I am pretty sure your Ca. CC&Rs are going to clearly say that Board members can not get any form of compensation. You will have a hard time changing minds of everyone except the Board members who would want the fees waived.

What my last HOA in Ca. did for years is have a Recognition Lunch once a year for all of the volunteers and their significant other at one of the nicest restaurants in our Town. We budgeted $2000 a year and it was always noted in the Budget snapshot that we sent out to homeowners. We would typically get 20 t0 25 people that would be invited and show up for the Lunch. We even had some nice wines on the table for those that wanted wine with their meal. We always kept it under the budgeted number and never had any issues from the Peanut Gallery about the expense.

It really did not help us get many new volunteers but at least the ones we had knew they were appreciated.
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
never heard of waving dues

have heard of waving balls

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BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
I have never seen a Declaration that didn't explicitly state Board members may not receive compensation or any that have a
mechanism by which certain members could be relieved of the obligation to pay assessments.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
RicardoH, first, I have seen Bylaws that permit the membership of a HOA or condominium to approve compensating directors. Second, and on the other hand, if a director is compensated, she or he loses the protections of the federal Volunteer Protection Act, 42 U. S. C. 14503. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/14503 . Third, according to the California law firm that runs the Davis-Stirling information site, paid directors also cannot be covered by D&O insurance. See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Paying-Directors . To me, nominal compensation of say a couple thousand dollars per year, or more meaningful compensation of say $50k per year, may not be enough to give up the latter protections. Homeowners' association lawsuits run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars frequently enough.

On the other hand, I see your point. Not paying meaningful compensation typically yields incompetent volunteer directors.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Usually compensation is not allowed. Your documents may be different.

I think you would be much better off running with fewer than the preferred number of board members.

And by the way, if a mailing doesn't get any volunteers actual personal contacts might. This is the usual role of a "nominating committee."
GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
Posted:
our allows for board members but not for officers. We wave the yearly dues for all board members by a vote during our first member meeting. All , have do always voted yes. Mostly cause no one really wants to do it but we can usually scrape 5 together. and plus side is we don't pay for a management company which would charge us double what we wave.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Not a good idea.

1) The board likely doesn't have the authority to waive assessments (late fees, yes - assessments no). Check your governing documents.

2) The proper way would be to have them pay the assessment and then the Board pays them a for their officer duties.

3) Note: Receiving compensation means reporting this to the IRS.

4) Note: Receiving compensation means you are no longer a volunteer and lose protections under the federal volunteer protection act of 1997. Not something I think anyone serving on an HOA/COA board/committee desires to do.

5) Note: If you consider them an employee (the board tells them how to do things) then the Association also has payroll taxes and withholdings that they must comply with. You should also obtain workers comp insurance.

If you are going to do it, do it right.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
BADDDDDD IDEA!!! Here is the deal. If you wave dues, that is less money for the HOA. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. That is less "income" for the HOA. HOA's are typically VOLUNTEER with liability insurance to protect board members.

Now here is the bigger issue. You get a ticked off board member. They decide out of "Protest" they aren't going to pay their dues till XXX is fixed. Well the HOA should place a lien for those not paying dues at a set point. (We do at 6 months behind). Well if they are "forgiven" those 3 months, then you can't add those months to the lien amount owed.

You CHOOSE to VOLUNTEER to be on your HOA board/officer because you have an invested interested in doing so. If your not doing it because you want to be there, then just don't. It doesn't help anyone if your heart/brain isn't in the game.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I say paying any BOD Member is a bad idea.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/21/2019 3:47 PM
BADDDDDD IDEA!!! Here is the deal. If you wave dues, that is less money for the HOA. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. That is less "income" for the HOA. HOA's are typically VOLUNTEER with liability insurance to protect board members.

Now here is the bigger issue. You get a ticked off board member. They decide out of "Protest" they aren't going to pay their dues till XXX is fixed. Well the HOA should place a lien for those not paying dues at a set point. (We do at 6 months behind). Well if they are "forgiven" those 3 months, then you can't add those months to the lien amount owed.

You CHOOSE to VOLUNTEER to be on your HOA board/officer because you have an invested interested in doing so. If your not doing it because you want to be there, then just don't. It doesn't help anyone if your heart/brain isn't in the game.

Great observation. If you pay a professional management company you have less money, income for the HOA.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
How about a different approach?

- Start with a list of potential candidates.
- When a seat becomes available (board or committee), the next person on the list gets that seat.
- If that person doesn't want to take the position, he or she can pay $200 (or some other amount) to buy their way out of the obligation.
- If someone buys his or her way out of serving, then the responsibility goes to the next person on the list.

Does anyone think an arrangement like that could work, assuming of course that it doesn't violate the CC&Rs in some way?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpS on 05/21/2019 6:19 PM
How about a different approach?

- Start with a list of potential candidates.
- When a seat becomes available (board or committee), the next person on the list gets that seat.
- If that person doesn't want to take the position, he or she can pay $200 (or some other amount) to buy their way out of the obligation.
- If someone buys his or her way out of serving, then the responsibility goes to the next person on the list.

Does anyone think an arrangement like that could work, assuming of course that it doesn't violate the CC&Rs in some way?

I don't remember where I read it (don't think it was this website), but someone proposed that HOA board service work similar to jury duty - EVERYONE would be obligated to serve at least one term on the board and when your turn came up, the only way to get out of it was to pay a fee that went towards the operating budget.

It was an article commenting on how hard it is to get board members, and the writer came up with this idea because registered voters are obligated to serve on juries if called. Considering how important HOA board work is, perhaps all the homeowners out to give service a whirl and see if they can do as well or better as the ones already serving over and over again (because no one else will)

An interesting idea, but frankly I don't think that would work either. I can hear people now - hell no, I'm not gonna pay and you already get enough of my money from these ^*&%$! assessments! You said you'd come up with a list of candidates - what if someone gets insulted because THEY weren't on the list (unless you're going to grab the entire homeowner's list).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpS on 05/21/2019 6:19 PM
How about a different approach?

- Start with a list of potential candidates.
- When a seat becomes available (board or committee), the next person on the list gets that seat.
- If that person doesn't want to take the position, he or she can pay $200 (or some other amount) to buy their way out of the obligation.
- If someone buys his or her way out of serving, then the responsibility goes to the next person on the list.

Does anyone think an arrangement like that could work, assuming of course that it doesn't violate the CC&Rs in some way?

Not really. I can hear the yelling now - I'm not gonna pay jack (the fees are already too damn high and now you want more???) And I ain't gonna serve because I don't wanna and you can't make me! What do you do then - or everyone offers to pay to get out of serving? Mandatory service doesn't guarantee you won't wind up with a blithering idiot or maniac (or both!)

That said, several years ago an HOA attorney (from somewhere in Florida, I think) did an article on getting board members and floated the idea of making board service mandatory for all homeowners, similar to having to go to the courthouse when you're called for jury duty. Unlike jury duty, you could pay not to play, as it were, but on the other hand, if people really feel it's important to get fresh blood, but no one's willing to step up, maybe mandatory service could result in some people actually liking the job. If not, you have a ready supply of homeowners (unless most of them are out of state investors) and maybe some of them would calm down upon getting on the board and seeing how challenging the position really is.

After 10 years on the board, I learned that people don't always care about certain issues the way you think they should, just as you may go "meh" to whatever floats their boat. I think board service is something you really need to want to do, but you have to protect youself against burnout (I learned that the hard way). In your case, reducing the number of board members could be an option, and you should also consider if perhaps all of you are trying to do too much. If you don't have a property manager, maybe it's time to consider hiring one to handle the day to day operations and the board can address the big picture items. Of course, that will cost money (and higher assessments), but that may be better than putting on someone who's only useful for fogging a mirror


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Waive fines, fees, late charges, yes; never would I entertain waiving any portion of monthly assessments.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
No. No and no. Just to be clear the answer is NO! This shouldn't even be considered. Nope. No. and No.

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