TammyC3 (New Mexico)
Posts: 102
Posts: 102
Posted:
I'm the new gal on the board of a 'frontier' subdivision. Please don't kill the messenger!
Disclosure re: water
14. UTILITIES
Water - The subdivider does not propose to install a water system for the subdivision. Individual property owner's (sic) will have to drill their own wells. There is a Geohydrology Report for the subdivision on file in the office of the County Clerk. as part of the property report for the subdivision. Refer to Page 12, Item 19 for estimated costs to drill a well. (note: pages aren't numbered)
15. INSTALLATION OF UTILITIES: (BY OWNER SUBDIVIDER)
WATER: No water will be provided to any lot by the developer.
19. FOR SUBDIVISIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL DOMESTIC WELLS OR SHARED WELLS:
WELL PROVIDER: Wells will be provided by the prospective purchaser/lessee/conveyee.
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A community outparcel in our subdivision houses a (unused) sales building & a well (billed by developer as a 'community well' although the disclosure contradicts) The 'community well' is a 'selling point' for the developer. If you want to 'haul water' for domestic use, rather than drill a well, you have that option.
Sometime in the past 12-15 years, the developer built a house for their children on a lot behind the 'community outparcel'. The mobile home on the property was directly plumbed to the well on the community outparcel. The mobile home fell into disrepair and was removed about 2 years ago. The developer sold this lot to a couple in early 2018, "with water".
This was a topic of conversation and many questions at our last annual meeting of members in Sept 2018. Is it the 'associations' well? Why is the association paying all associated costs? Why does one landowner get 'direct' plumbing? The board has been researching and discovered:
In 2007 .. newsletters reflect member meeting minutes that question this 'community well' serving 3 properties, and ask why the HOA bears the full costs of reserves, repairs and electricity. 10 years .. and members are still asking the same questions and paying the full costs.
The board discovered that in 2007, an agreement was recorded at the county granting 'ownership' of the well to the association, and requiring 2/3 membership vote to 'give it back'. The well appears as an 'asset' (for awhile) on early HOA financial forms. Somehow, it disappeared, and ownership was again questioned (for several years). This year, the board located the recorded document at the county granting 'ownership'. Once the document was shared, all hell broke loose.
The developer drove 8 hours one way (Jan) to file a recorded document stating their financial obligation to the well costs as:
50/50, without consulting the board. BUT, they also recorded a document (without a vote), cancelling the original recorded 'ownership' and returning 'ownership' back to the developer. The developer wrote an email to the board and stated: "The outparcel is not part of the subdivision." and they also attached the newly recorded document.
I guess the board hit a nerve. What the heck have we gotten ourselves into?
1) Is the community outparel part of the subdivision?
2) Buyer beware applies to both the new owners and all those who purchased thinking there was a 'community' well. If the well and all responsibilities are returned to the developer, people who haul water will be 'injured'. If the new owners are 'cut off', the new owners will be injured. Is there any middle ground?
3) When suggesting 'attorney advice', please cite any 'damages' to our HOA as 'cause'. Would it be better to advise those who 'haul water' and the new owner to seek an attorney, rather than the HOA?
Hell of a mess ...
What say you?
Disclosure re: water
14. UTILITIES
Water - The subdivider does not propose to install a water system for the subdivision. Individual property owner's (sic) will have to drill their own wells. There is a Geohydrology Report for the subdivision on file in the office of the County Clerk. as part of the property report for the subdivision. Refer to Page 12, Item 19 for estimated costs to drill a well. (note: pages aren't numbered)
15. INSTALLATION OF UTILITIES: (BY OWNER SUBDIVIDER)
WATER: No water will be provided to any lot by the developer.
19. FOR SUBDIVISIONS WITH INDIVIDUAL DOMESTIC WELLS OR SHARED WELLS:
WELL PROVIDER: Wells will be provided by the prospective purchaser/lessee/conveyee.
~~~
A community outparcel in our subdivision houses a (unused) sales building & a well (billed by developer as a 'community well' although the disclosure contradicts) The 'community well' is a 'selling point' for the developer. If you want to 'haul water' for domestic use, rather than drill a well, you have that option.
Sometime in the past 12-15 years, the developer built a house for their children on a lot behind the 'community outparcel'. The mobile home on the property was directly plumbed to the well on the community outparcel. The mobile home fell into disrepair and was removed about 2 years ago. The developer sold this lot to a couple in early 2018, "with water".
This was a topic of conversation and many questions at our last annual meeting of members in Sept 2018. Is it the 'associations' well? Why is the association paying all associated costs? Why does one landowner get 'direct' plumbing? The board has been researching and discovered:
In 2007 .. newsletters reflect member meeting minutes that question this 'community well' serving 3 properties, and ask why the HOA bears the full costs of reserves, repairs and electricity. 10 years .. and members are still asking the same questions and paying the full costs.
The board discovered that in 2007, an agreement was recorded at the county granting 'ownership' of the well to the association, and requiring 2/3 membership vote to 'give it back'. The well appears as an 'asset' (for awhile) on early HOA financial forms. Somehow, it disappeared, and ownership was again questioned (for several years). This year, the board located the recorded document at the county granting 'ownership'. Once the document was shared, all hell broke loose.
The developer drove 8 hours one way (Jan) to file a recorded document stating their financial obligation to the well costs as:
50/50, without consulting the board. BUT, they also recorded a document (without a vote), cancelling the original recorded 'ownership' and returning 'ownership' back to the developer. The developer wrote an email to the board and stated: "The outparcel is not part of the subdivision." and they also attached the newly recorded document.
I guess the board hit a nerve. What the heck have we gotten ourselves into?
1) Is the community outparel part of the subdivision?
2) Buyer beware applies to both the new owners and all those who purchased thinking there was a 'community' well. If the well and all responsibilities are returned to the developer, people who haul water will be 'injured'. If the new owners are 'cut off', the new owners will be injured. Is there any middle ground?
3) When suggesting 'attorney advice', please cite any 'damages' to our HOA as 'cause'. Would it be better to advise those who 'haul water' and the new owner to seek an attorney, rather than the HOA?
Hell of a mess ...
What say you?