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RobertW31 (New York)
Posts: 41
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We are a 110 unit Townhouse Community near Albany, NY. Next year the replacement of roofs on our newest building will be completed. The roof shingles are rated for 40 years. They were all paid for from HOA fees. It occurs to the board that these roofs will have a longer useful life than the original roofs.

My question is if anyone has had this issue and opted to reduce the amount put in the HOA fee for roofs? And if so how was the analysis down. We may have 30 or more years before roofs have to start to be replaced.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Hi Robert

Most HOAs have underfunded reserves. That said, I would caution against acting too quickly to reduce reserve contributions. Like taxes, easy to cut, hard to raise again.

In your shoes, I would wait til the next Reserve Study before making any changes. The Reserve Study will be based on the expected useful life. If you are installing 40-year roofs, make sure you are working with a Reserve Study provider, who will take that into consideration.

Best of luck.

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SheliaH (Indiana)
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Not only that, you are a townhouse community, which means there are other replacements you need to think about, not just the roofs. There's also inflation - something everyone seems to forget about. Even if your shingles last 40 years (let's hope they do!), the costs to replace the roofs at that time will still be a lot more than what you paid today.

It's good that you were able to install roofs that will have a longer life than the last ones. Consider doing the same for other components you'll need to replace - it may not change the amount of money you have to put in reserves, but can reduce maintenance costs, so you still get a lot more bang for your buck.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Do some math......

How much did the roof cost in 1980?
How much did the roof cost today?
What percentage higher is that?
Take todays roof cost and multiply it times that percent.

This should give you a rough estimate how much a new roof will cost 40 years from now.

Now look at that figure. Are you currently putting enough dues toward that new roof 40 years from now? Maybe not enough?

Its all about math....... doesn't matter how people feel.
SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
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How long did the roofs last before they needed to be replaced?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Reserves analysts usually only put components on the reserves study if they will not last longer than the life of the buildings, i.e., 30 years.

But it's hard to imagine roofs lasting 40 years. I think instead of the component being Roof Replacement, you might want to make it Roof Repairs.
A certified analyst with knowledge of your LOCAL weather/climate conditions has the experience to advise whether to change the estimated useful life (EUL). S/he'l also look to see how long that particular roofing material is expected to live based on its manufacturer's recommendations.

This isn't a topic for by speculation by non-professionals in the field.
TimM11
Posts: 354
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Even if *all* of your other future replacement needs are fully funded per a reserve study, it would still be unwise to reduce dues. At best, you may be able to postpone increasing them in the future or increase them by a smaller amount.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By TimM11 on 04/30/2019 10:42 AM
Even if *all* of your other future replacement needs are fully funded per a reserve study, it would still be unwise to reduce dues. At best, you may be able to postpone increasing them in the future or increase them by a smaller amount.

I agree.
AugustinD
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Posted By RobertW31 on 04/30/2019 2:30 AM

My question is if anyone has had this issue and opted to reduce the amount put in the HOA fee for roofs? And if so how was the analysis down. We may have 30 or more years before roofs have to start to be replaced.


A professionally completed Reserve Study will dictate how much needs to go to Reserves and whether the assessment should be changed. You will need at least one, and preferably two, board members who are competent at understanding spreadsheets and long-term infrastructure financing. Does your Declaration require a Reserve Study every several years or so? If it does not, have one done anyway.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By SteveM9 on 04/30/2019 6:47 AM
Its all about math....... doesn't matter how people feel.

Yep. In 2007 our board felt the roofer's estimate that the new roofs would last 20 years was a good one. The 20 year estimate was used for 10 years. Then, in 2017 that same roofer estimated they would last only another 5 years, for a total of 15 years. Oops! This year we're realizing that some of them need to replaced ASAP having lasted only 12 years.

Get professional opinions and make sure to get revised opinions every few years so you don't get caught short. Without knowing all the relevant details, I'd bet money that your board's opinion that the roofs will last 40 years is irrelevant.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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You don't go by the "30 year roof shingle" as it's going to be good for 30 years. It's also true of the "20 year" paint you may buy. Granite a 20 year paint is more likely going to last longer than a cheaper 5 - 10 year paint it's also not guaranteed the 20. It's a manufacture suggested time line. Many things factor in like weather, exposure, application, and other use factors.

So I wouldn't change anything in the budget. There is still a hail/storm risk. You don't know for sure how long a "30 year" roof is really going to last. My roof was replaced in 2011. It's already starting to show some age and had a few tree limbs go through it. It's rated 20 years atleast. May have a few more years before needs replaced again.

Former HOA President
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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There is still a hail/storm risk.


Well, in the case of hail, the insurance company will pay for it.
TimM11
Posts: 354
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Posted By SteveM9 on 05/01/2019 5:13 AM

Well, in the case of hail, the insurance company will pay for it.

Speaking from experience in my HOA, they will try as hard as they can not to. We had to take ours to court over it.

Moreover, weather-related insurance claims may look quite different in 10 or 20 years as the increased number and dollar value of claims takes their toll on the industry. I wouldn't count on coverage that is available today being available to the same extent in the future. It's important to have a Plan B.

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