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MaryannC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 30
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I live in a small private community with an HOA. Some of the renters in here think they should be allowed into board meetings and have a say as to what goes on. We have never allowed that. Our bylaws state that it's members only at our yearly General Membership Meeting, but they say nothing about our monthly meetings. Does any other community allow non-members to attend their monthly BOD meetings?
EdC5 (Florida)
Posts: 117
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I managed a community last year that was discussing this very issue. The Board decided to allow renters to attend the monthly board meetings (but not the annual members meeting). It turned out that the renters caused such a ruckus that the "invitation" lasted all of one meeting.

Edward J Cooke, CMCA, LCAM
MaryannC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 30
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I could sure see that happening! LOL! Thanks for your reply!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I say owners only. One of the privileges of ownership. Few renters have "pride of ownership" so they do not care about the long term.
SamE2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 310
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How does someone become a member of your HOA? If they are not a member why should they attend and more importantly why should they have any say in the HOA? I think you keep the relationship between the unit owner and the renter you don't want the HOA involved in the relationship.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By MaryannC1 on 04/28/2019 1:39 PM
I live in a small private community with an HOA. Some of the renters in here think they should be allowed into board meetings and have a say as to what goes on. We have never allowed that. Our bylaws state that it's members only at our yearly General Membership Meeting, but they say nothing about our monthly meetings. Does any other community allow non-members to attend their monthly BOD meetings?

We let them attend the monthly board meetings if they want to come. When they do attend it's infrequently. It's not like the board discusses state secrets. We could always tell them "members only" if there was something we didn't want the renters to hear being discussed. Never saw it as a big deal.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Oh, and we probably wouldn't allow renters at the annual meeting. The room is already too crowded, for one. In general we don't mind that they're informed residents of the community. Letting them have "a say" is something else entirely and we wouldn't allow that.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our bylaws state that only members (owners) may attend board meetings. The PM has accepted ideas and suggestions form renters to present at board meetings and a few of these over the years have been very beneficial. We do try to make renters feel welcome and they are encouraged to serve on our Social Committee. We're about 25% renters in a high rise of 200.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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Renters are residents of the neighborhood. In some cases they rent for a lengthy period of time and may have a significant interest in decisions being made. But that doesn't mean they get a say/vote in the decision-making. Further, some renters may eventually wish to purchase the home they rent or another home in the neighborhood.

Why not try to create an inclusive environment? What harm is done by including them and possibly hearing what they have to say? I would only have an issue with renters attending if they came intentionally to create strife or be adversarial. Until that happens, I say include them if they want to be included. Or if certain renters need to be excluded, exclude them specifically. In many cases, most owners don't even attend monthly/annual meetings. I'm sure that not many renters would attend either.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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An HOA or COA has no legal relationship with renters; their legal relationship is with the owners of the units that the renters live in. In a number of states an HOA may be opening themselves for legal action (tortious interference in a contract) by interacting with tenants. In these cases the board and PM keep a strictly hands-off approach and any communication goes through the owners of the units.

My state isn't quite that strict, but anything involving association business must go to the owners. It's up to them to communicate with their tenants (and frankly, that's what they're being paid for - why should the association do their work for them?).

Renters who want a say in how the community is run want to have the best of both worlds: the right to have a say but without any of the responsibilities that would give them that right. That's not how it works.
EdC5 (Florida)
Posts: 117
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Posted By ND on 04/29/2019 4:37 AM
Renters are residents of the neighborhood. In some cases they rent for a lengthy period of time and may have a significant interest in decisions being made. But that doesn't mean they get a say/vote in the decision-making. Further, some renters may eventually wish to purchase the home they rent or another home in the neighborhood.

Why not try to create an inclusive environment? What harm is done by including them and possibly hearing what they have to say? I would only have an issue with renters attending if they came intentionally to create strife or be adversarial. Until that happens, I say include them if they want to be included. Or if certain renters need to be excluded, exclude them specifically. In many cases, most owners don't even attend monthly/annual meetings. I'm sure that not many renters would attend either.

Referring back to my earlier post, I've only managed 55+ communities; so, yes, the owners are VERY involved. And as I said, one community I managed did decide to allow renters to attend board meetings. The result was contentious, to say the least.

Edward J Cooke, CMCA, LCAM
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Another thought about renters: if you rent in an apartment complex, you don't get to tell the owners/managers how to run the place. You take it or leave it. Why should an HOA or COA by any different? If you want owners' rights, you need to be an owner.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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We would allow renters to participate in committees which had their own separate meetings from the board. Renters know they don't have any voting rights or say or should. Most renters I find that are interested in participating are long term or wanting to purchase. It's not the short term type. So with those type of renters we'd allow them to participate in events or volunteer. We'd just make sure it's known they are renters so don't elect them to the board...

It's kind of tricky with some renters. The situation may be they are "permanent" renters for like 20 years. It may be they can't afford to buy a home or prefer renting. I would say depending on the situation on what renters participation is. To me, someone dedicated to living in the community but can't purchase, isn't enough to exclude them completely. There is always the neighborhood watch or other committees they can participate in.

Former HOA President
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/29/2019 5:23 AM
Another thought about renters: if you rent in an apartment complex, you don't get to tell the owners/managers how to run the place. You take it or leave it. Why should an HOA or COA by any different? If you want owners' rights, you need to be an owner.

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JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
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The opposite may also be true.

In many communities, the CCRs will have a statement that the CCRs can be enforced directly against owners, tenants and occupants, sometimes including penalties. It is usually easier to enforce against the owner.

In a few states the law allows the association to fine tenants directly without going through the owner.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Once upon a time in my community, renters had to get permission from the homeowner-landlord before they could attend a meeting, but that seemed to have gone by the wayside by the time I joined the board. These days, the renters usually come if they have a question or complaint and then leave, but it's very rare and hasn't been a problem. Generally, the owners stop with issues or notify the property manager, who then brings it to the board.

As for everyone else who doesn't live in the community, you can't attend unless you're invited, which is as it should be.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MaryannC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 30
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Thank you all for your comments!

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