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NicoleO5 (California)
Posts: 61
Posted:
I have a feeling this has been visited here before But I can't find anything specific like this.

I need to keep it simple since this is possible in regard to litigation.
We have a board member who threatened our management company and manager with legal action and indirectly threatening the HOA BOD.

They have made it clear they are trying to seek legal counsel still and have mentioned this twice to our management company.

We have a meeting with our atty to discuss this and a few other things. Of course this board member can not attend. But how do we move forward if discussion of this issue must continue?? Its a total conflict of interests for this board member. Our bylaws are clear this isn't grounds for removal and they don't meet the other criteria for such.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We don't back down to empty threats. I always respond will be waiting on the paperwork... Plus suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. Maybe want to drop that information on them.

What is the issue with the MC? This sounds not like a HOA board issue but a personal issue with the board member. If that is the case, then the HOA has no reason to be involved. The MC is a hired contractor to the HOA. So their beef with the MC. The HOA responsibility may be to evaluate if they need to keep this MC.

So don't waste too much money on an empty threat situation if it's not directed to the HOA directly. The MC should have their own attorney. Let them deal with it.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Until the person actually brings action against the association, they should not be excluded from such meetings unless the board has voted to censure them.
NicoleO5 (California)
Posts: 61
Posted:
We have asked to meet an attorney to advise us as the board member does feel they have a legal claim against PM and HOA BOD. Our atty stated they should not be present.... as well, it's a conflict.

Bizarro stuff. and looking forward for this ship to sail.
SheilaJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 291
Posted:
Only thing bizarre I see is you not giving any details. Was it a vote? Was it some action? Was it some non action? It seems to me like you are in the majority and failed to hear this board member out and now they have no other choice. This seems to be getting common in HOA’s lately. You need to understand the issue because your illegal meeting with the attorney will only makes things worse. It’s not a conflict until something is actually filed.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Why is the meeting with the attorney "illegal?"
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NicoleO5 on 03/26/2019 6:01 PM
We have asked to meet an attorney to advise us as the board member does feel they have a legal claim against PM and HOA BOD. Our atty stated they should not be present.... as well, it's a conflict.

Bizarro stuff. and looking forward for this ship to sail.

The only way I could see it being a conflict is IF the attorney was representing the HOA and the MC. Never a good idea.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Even if it is only a threat, your HOA is supposed to inform its insurer.

In this case, when discussion of this issue is scheduled, the person threatening suit has to step out.

If either your Board or PM is violating the Bylaws, covenants, state law, or other law, and this is why the director is threatening suit, then the Board and PM can certainly dig in and insist it is not a violation. But the superior response is to comply with the governing documents and other law.
LanceG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 97
Posted:
If the board does sue the board, then the D&O insurance would kick in. Ultimately beyond that equating to suing your self, it could also lead to the insurance being dropped or the rate being increased. The thing is, the person suing could end up selling in the near future or just not care.

Ultimately, you don't want them to actually sue because as soon as they do everybody loses. Are there any options available to you that could help to de-escalate the situation and help calmer heads prevail?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What is your sense of what a conflict of interest is, Nicole? There might be a misunderstanding here.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There isn't enough details provided to give proper advice. A board member can have a PERSONAL issue against the MC/Board. Does that mean dragging the whole HOA into the fray? The MC is a sub contractor to the HOA and could be a separate lawsuit by the board member separately from the HOA. The HOA doesn't need to jump into this situation. What involved of the HOA board has in the situation with the MC?

Former HOA President
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Nicole
“Threats” should not be dealt with until action takes place.

Did this board member bring this issue to the board’s attention before? What was the result? ( committee formed? Action taken?)

Your post is vague. It would help if you posted a timeline and subject matter of this board member’s concern.

But right now, shame on your lawyer for telling you to hold meetings that exclude a member - just because of “ threats”

LanceG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 97
Posted:
My concern with excluding the board member is that it could escalate the situation and make them more likely to follow through on the threat of litigation(at least from what I've heard). The goal should IMHO be to try to not have it lead to a lawsuit because if one is filed the HOA will likely end up incurring extra costs in the form of increased insurance....and possibly more if it was successful.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LanceG1 on 03/27/2019 8:23 AM
My concern with excluding the board member is that it could escalate the situation and make them more likely to follow through on the threat of litigation(at least from what I've heard). The goal should IMHO be to try to not have it lead to a lawsuit because if one is filed the HOA will likely end up incurring extra costs in the form of increased insurance....and possibly more if it was successful.


If the HOA does not inform its insurer of the threat of litigation, then the insurer does not have to insure the HOA if and when there is a lawsuit.

Importantly, if there is a lawsuit, there will be several months of exchanges between the two sides' attorneys in an attempt to try to settle the matter. The courts expect this, in order to try to keep disputes out of the busy and expensive court systems. Bona fide legal experts, and not a bunch of amateurs will handle the matter.

One of the problems here is the lack of understanding that a HOA is a corporation that is typically insured. This is deep pockets. It also forces the HOA to do things in a legally methodical but contractually required and expensive way.

The director who is making the threats is excluded from board discussion of this lest one of the other board members says something that is incriminating or that could be used against the HOA. 'Anything one says can and will be used against one,' is the rule to follow even with a threat of civil litigation. Hence having meetings with the director who is making threats present holds the HOA out to more litigation. Communications on the subject should be only between the HOA's attorney and the director making threats (or said director's attorney).

Attorneys are paid to spin everything in a way that favors their client's wishes. Under the attorney's code of professional conduct, it's not "lying" to exaggerate anything and everything in favor of their client. Instead, it's an obligation to exaggerate thusly. In theory, the adversarial system will separate the wheat from the chaff and come to the truth. (Of course that's bullshit. It's the ones who can afford an attorney that get what they want and tell lies with impunity. Middle class Jane or Joe Smith is screwed out of justice, just because Jane or Joe lacks deep pockets.)

I still want to know what flavor of threats are being made. The OP might be a part of a board majority that has gone rogue, violating laws, and wanting to use its power to pay the HOA attorney to defend whatever stupid position it takes. Or this one director may be the rogue director.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Post-o: The several months of exchanges between the sides' attorneys occur before a lawsuit is ever filed, in an attempt to settle the matter or establish that the two sides are firm.

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