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GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Hi again. Searching for ideas for D&O insurance companies, options, deductibles, etc, if anyone has gone through this recently. I saw an old post which reflected the limited choices, was hoping for some new updated info. In a nutshell, we are a large association with need for a new insurance carrier due to a single event (no negligence, just typical insane attorney fees). Has anyone encountered a reasonable blend of deductible and coverage, a particular company which is good to work with, self insurance to a certain level/ high deductible, etc. Or other options. Thanks much.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Our insurance agent does the a lot of the legwork on this. An agent would be familiar with companies that offer policies for associations, as well as which ones have good track records for financial stability, promptly paying claims, and the like.

You didn't say whether you're an HOA or a condo association, but for the insurance carriers that my condo association has used, the D&O insurance is part of the package of coverage they provide. Not sure if you can buy it separately.

I also suggest looking at your CC&Rs to see if they require anything in particular. My governing documents require D&O insurance as well as Fidelity insurance. They don't specify any particular amount for the D&O insurance, but the amount of Fidelity insurance is based on the amount in our reserves plus our annual budget and assessment amounts.
GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Thanks Cathy. We are an HOA. We’ve had an agent for years, but this year seem to have less options in D&O insurance. I was curious if others had experienced similar problem, and possible solutions (specific company, hi deductible/self insurance to a certain level, etc). I can’t find anything helpful online, and there may not be a a good answer (as others had posted back in 2016). Thanks again.
LanceG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 97
Posted:
Out of curiosity how much of a rate increase are you looking at? Just wondering what we might be looking at if our association actually has to use our insurance.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
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Posted By GerryW1 on 03/21/2019 9:19 PM
Hi again. Searching for ideas for D&O insurance companies, options, deductibles, etc, if anyone has gone through this recently. I saw an old post which reflected the limited choices, was hoping for some new updated info. In a nutshell, we are a large association with need for a new insurance carrier due to a single event (no negligence, just typical insane attorney fees). Has anyone encountered a reasonable blend of deductible and coverage, a particular company which is good to work with, self insurance to a certain level/ high deductible, etc. Or other options. Thanks much.

D&O insurance premiums are going up everywhere. Do your due diligence, shop around including council.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
In Florida you almost have to have an agent shop around on your behalf. Our General Liability, Crime (similar to a Fidelity Bond), and D&O policies came as a bundle.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Gerry,
Our HOA insurance was all bought in a bundle so not going to help on what each costs Ala Carte.

I will give you a bit of advice that was passed on to me 30 plus years ago from a Uncle who ran a large Insurance company. He said always have the largest deductible you can afford to pay. This works in Business and also personal. You don't buy insurance to file claims if you do you have the wrong idea. Insurance is for catastrophic issues. If you see how much you will save by raising your deductibles by double and you will be shocked. HOAs should be disciplined enough to setup a reserve for future claims to cover the deductibles at a minimum. I bet the time between your recent claim and the one before that was a while. In Ca. the entire 8 years I was on the board we had no claims. I brought this up to our board as treasurer and we save thousand on premiums over those years.

Self Insurance is crazy to even consider and not a good Fiduciary decision. When you are shopping ask for the discounts for higher deductibles. You will be a much more attractive customer if you have a high deductible verses a 100 or 500 deductible. If you have over 500 to 1000 units I would be looking at $5K or 10K deductibles. Even if you have a smaller claim be willing to write the check. Actuarial departments at Insurance companies cancel people and companies very quickly these days. This is also why you may be having trouble getting interested carriers to give you quotes.

RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
we use 'the good hands people' with a $10,000 flat deductible (including wind)

the deductible saves $3,000 per year compared to a $1,000 and 5% wind deductible

D&O is part of the policy and is minimal cost because of flat deductible
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Can’t recall our deductible, but our small voluntary HOA of 189 single family houses with a one acre park and some benches - D&O and Liability is about $850 per year.
GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Thanks for the input. Because of 1 claim (again, legal fees only, no negligence or damages), our D&O insurance is not being renewed, and is carved out from the old bundle. The best policy so far has been around $15,000 per year, with deductible around $40,000. I’m not sure if the deductible is per event (which could be a disaster), or annual (which would be fair). We had very few choices. Seems that the applications have yes and no questions, and as soon as you check a few “yes” answers, you’re rejected. That’s what a system with $500k+ legal fees will do.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By GerryW1 on 03/24/2019 9:59 AM

Because of 1 claim (again, legal fees only, no negligence or damages), our D&O insurance is not being renewed, and is carved out from the old bundle.

This is similar to your auto policy carrier not renewing.
You were dropped.
Therefore, you are considered high risk by every other carrier and will have to pay a higher premium for a few years before your risk factor goes back to normal.

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