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NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:

If a former president is still alive and was in charge from 2013 to 2016 and there is proof of embezzlement in the checking account dn records, newsletters, minutes and from the bank statements, is there a statute of limitations to hold former officers liable to repay back improperly spent money?

the current and former president help secret meetings at there home, and considered them "official" can you sue previous board members taht participated in that?\
(yes I know you can pay to sue anyone for any reason) but is this something that would stand a change in small claims or county court?
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
We have a very corrupt crew over here there is always one truth: It's not what you know but rather what you can prove.

How can you prove there were secret meetings? Were there minutes but no meeting notices? Is your knowledge gained purely from hearsay? Do you have audio recordings?

Furthermore you always have to prove some sort of harm to a court. How did the actions that resulted from these meetings harm homeowners?

Now let's assume for a moment you can prove everything. What is the outcome you want to achieve and is it reasonable? Is it worth the effort to pursue? So much of this is time sensitive too. It's much easier to go after a secret meeting that happened 30-90 days ago than it is one that happened 3 years ago.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
It's not embezzlement but let me give you a practical example:

On February 22, 2019 we had a board meeting scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Our corrupt board members decided to all get together BEFORE the scheduled meeting time, vote in a corrupt candidate, and finish the meeting before it was even scheduled to start! Homeowners like me were effectively shut out. We were not allowed to vote or even speak because, one could argue, it was a secret meeting.

Well that didn't fly. I got on it immediately and caused such a firestorm that involved attorneys and everything that the meeting was nullified within 5 days and notice was sent to all homeowners stating the same. The trick was jumping on it ASAP. If I had attacked the problem 3 years from now I'm certain a judge would raise his eyebrow and tell me to pound sand.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
It's not embezzlement but let me give you a practical example:

On February 22, 2019 we had a board meeting scheduled for 6:30 p.m. Our corrupt board members decided to all get together BEFORE the scheduled meeting time, vote in a corrupt candidate, and finish the meeting before it was even scheduled to start! Homeowners like me were effectively shut out. We were not allowed to vote or even speak because, one could argue, it was a secret meeting.

Well that didn't fly. I got on it immediately and caused such a firestorm that involved attorneys and everything that the meeting was nullified within 5 days and notice was sent to all homeowners stating the same. The trick was jumping on it ASAP. If I had attacked the problem 3 years from now I'm certain a judge would raise his eyebrow and tell me to pound sand.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Well small claims in Florida is under $5,000. Is the amount below that?

Improperly spent money is NOT embezzlement.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NoahA on 03/20/2019 7:26 AM

If a former president is still alive and was in charge from 2013 to 2016 and there is proof of embezzlement in the checking account dn records, newsletters, minutes and from the bank statements, is there a statute of limitations to hold former officers liable to repay back improperly spent money?

the current and former president help secret meetings at there home, and considered them "official" can you sue previous board members taht participated in that?\
(yes I know you can pay to sue anyone for any reason) but is this something that would stand a change in small claims or county court?

It would be your case and as such you probably don't want to spew too much in an internet forum but I'd ask: Proof?

Before I moved into my HOA there was a president who was rumored to have received a kickback (a Caribbean Cruise) from a painting contractor. Long story short, a subsequent board decided to not pursue the matter because proving such a thing is tremendously difficult without a paper trail.

If you do have solid proof then you should prepare an evidence package, of sorts, and make an appointment with the local District Attorney to discuss your suspicions of embezzlement of corporate funds. Bring your proof to the meeting and make sure it's clear and persuasive. Then see what the D.A. says.

There's nothing in the HOA statute that deals with financial crime. There was an amendment proposed to the Condominium statute a couple of years ago that made it a misdemeanor to falsify records (along with a few other offenses) but it didn't pass.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I'll add, as Steve pointed out, unless the guy was writing checks on the HOA account to himself or to a vendor he controls that did not actually provide any goods or services to the association, it's not embezzlement, it would be misuse of funds. You need rock solid proof that he dipped into association funds and put them in his pocket.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
You want to know what embezzlement looks like? Here's what embezzlement looks like. And also here, a case where $665,000 went missing. There are plenty of other stories and examples you can find by searching the internet. Look at a few and take notice of how such crimes were discovered and the circumstances surrounding each. These miscreants were prosecuted, so it is possible to get some semblance of justice. If you can prove it.
NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
yes they have meetings at the presidents house and they DO make mintues of it, they dont allow community memebers to go them either.

also the treasury reports show them:
giving people of the community gift cards
and writing checks to board members
and also checks begin signed NOT by the treasurer

Also at a few meetings ago the treasurer says the 2nd co-signer of the checks when they leave town leave her a stick of pre-signed checks.

this is corrupt.
NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
Geno S, I called the state attorney and they said i had to run it by the sheriff's office first and if they make a case of it, then they would look into it

The good news is, the meeting tomorrow just very well might boot the rest of the corrupt people off the board.

a few quit a few weeks ago, when they were being exposed.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
writing board members checks could be perfectly legitimate depending on what the checks are for, such as reimbursement.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There is a thing called "Liability Insurance" for board members. So the board members may not be sued individually for work they do as representative of the HOA. That factors in. Plus what is the lawsuit going to result in if they are sued? That no longer means it's a criminal but civil. So do you want a jail sentence or a lawsuit?

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Also who is going to press the charges or sue? The HOA? If so, does the HOA have the money to pursue this? Plus the court can ONLY make one "whole". So the best you can ask for is to fill in the hole of cash you think is missing. Is that worth the effort and expense to pursue? Or is it better to move on and learn from your mistakes?

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Sounds like best way to proceed is to provide enough info to the press ... let them do the research.

Noah, if true, what you have provided is clearly counter to FS 720 at the base level of illegal meetings ... I’d work that angle first.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By NoahA on 03/20/2019 10:15 PM
yes they have meetings at the presidents house and they DO make mintues of it, they dont allow community memebers to go them either.

That's a blatant violation of FS 720 whcih says all board meetins MUST be open to the members unless the board is discussing personnel matters or litigation with an attorney.

Unfortunately, the remedy for this is filing for pre-suit mediation, followed by (if that doesn't work) a lawsuit seeking an injunction that requires the board to stop violating the Florida Statutes. It's far easier to replace the evildoers on the board either through a recall or at the next regularly scheduled election. Cheaper, too. Even if you ultimately prevail and get your attorney fees and court costs refunded to you, that will take time and you'll have to fund your legal case yourself until then.

Meanwhile, the board will use HOA funds to defend itself.

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